Symantec: Mozilla browsers more vulnerable than IE

ZDNet News ^ | 9/19/2005 | Tom Espiner

[N3WBI3]

I find it so funny how much energy GE, and c4q put into trying to pick fights and then claim they are not trolls... I love threads when they donut show up, they play with each other (take that to mean what you will) trying to get others on this thread.. I go away for a day and they get lonely.

[an amused spectator]

I worked on a project for a Ford affiliate where they used excel as their only data storage unit and backed up nothing.

Well, it's not like storage is cheap, or anything like that. ;-)

Saw a 1-gig jump drive for $60 this week. Wonder how much they paid you to try to recover their data, divided by 60? ;-)

[for-q-clinton]

Actually I have conceded that Linux and other OS's have good security features about them. However, I haven't ever heard you say the reason they aren't exploited as much is partly because of the install base.

Now keep in mind this is Linuxworld we're talking about. You know when a product like FF has more bugs than IE and it doesn't get exploited as much can be only one of two reasons. One the hackers don't want to waste their time attacking firefox because there's not enough notoriety in it. Or the hackers are supporters of firefox.

[Golden Eagle]

I'm not here to pick fights, I'm here to correct the record from all the BS you boys post. Ever going to admit you were lying when you went on for weeks insisting Microsoft was ending all Windows 2000 support? Haven't yet.

[N3WBI3]

No, what I was saying is that the premise that 'people don't bother' will small market shares is incorrect, I went so far as to provide a concrete example of where someone *DID* bother with a tiny market share.. This applies more to the anti mac folks than the anti linux folks but it does apply both places. If linux and MS had 50% of the market share linux would get hit alot more but not, in my opinion, as much as windows because of architecture issues. Maybe long horn will equalize that, MS has made great strides of late and if they continue down this path fix a few more things it will be a push..

[N3WBI3]

I dont care one way or the other, whats your take on Bill gates giving money to planned parenthood? how much have you given?

[an amused spectator]

This thread reminds me of the Oracle "Unbreakable" ads.

LOL! I actually have a pretty nice "Unbreakable" ballcap that I got as "graft" a few years back. Nobody knows what it means. ;-)

[N3WBI3]

Actually I have conceded that Linux and other OS's have good security features about them. However, I haven't ever heard you say the reason they aren't exploited as much is partly because of the install base.

You must not have been on those threads, usually I am addressing somebody saying 'when linux has .... it will be just as bad' which completely ignores the huge issue of engineering. at those times I dont bother with market share because its not what I am addressing, but I never say its all about engineering, just that engineering is more important..

[for-q-clinton]

Actually "people" don't bother. One idiot writing a hack doesn't make "people". So you're implying (or at least one of the ways many people take what you're saying) is that people will attack all systems given an opportunity. And that's just not the case. People will attack for a couple of reasons and the biggest is notoriety. So with a small user base you protect yourself via obscurity.

As far as would linux get hacked more if it had a larger user base, I give an emphatic heck yeah! Think about all that crap on a linux distro that users would install because they don't know what they are doing. The bigger the user base the bigger pool of idiot users you have. They will install everything and they won't patch it. So Linux distros would be exploited even worse than Windows.

[Golden Eagle]

Bunk, change the current user bases between Linux and Windows and # of exploits would switch as well. Perfect reason being you can take a Windows box, load the patches on it, run as a normal user, and that box is as hack proof as any Linux box there is. There's nothing major different between the two now but typical user and user rights, to claim otherwise is obvious fanaticism.

[N3WBI3]

People will attack for a couple of reasons and the biggest is notoriety.

Yea what notoriety would there be in taking down google and amazon..

[for-q-clinton]

I dont care one way or the other, whats your take on Bill gates giving money to planned parenthood? how much have you given?

I hate it! He does a bunch of liberal junk I don't like; however, he's definitely not a communist. And he sure as hell doesn't wear pro-communist t-shirts and propaganda.

I find it amazing you don't care about the communist ties in their advertisements. That says a lot!

[for-q-clinton]

When Google and Amazaon have a desktop OS let me know.

[Golden Eagle]

Easy, hackers hate "M$", and love open source. Especially in foreign countries where the worst of this crap comes from.

[N3WBI3]

he's definitely not a communist.

No he just gives money to a group founded by a Nazi Eugenicist

And he sure as hell doesn't wear pro-communist t-shirts and propaganda.

Nor do I, whats your point?

I find it amazing you don't care about the communist ties in their advertisements. That says a lot!

It says that Unlike some people (you, GE, and the tee shirt wearing communist idiots) I can tell the difference between software and politics, even if howard dean cant..

[for-q-clinton]

Nor do I, whats your point?

The heads of your favored browser are wearing pro-communist shirts and that doesn't bother you...that's my point.

[N3WBI3]

Would defacing Google to say 'n3wb p0wn3d g00gl3' get notoriety. Are are you saying there is only *one* way to get it.

See I say its engineering and market share, you say its just market share..

[N3WBI3]

And the head of your beloved MS gives money to a group founded by a nazi eugenicist..

[for-q-clinton]

See I say its engineering and market share, you say its just market share..

Nope, you're mixing apples and oranges and forgetting about pineapples. The biggest factor of them all is operations. If you don't properly manage your systems (UNIX, Linux, Apple, Windows, etc...) you're in danger of getting hacked.

Now if you're slow to patch you're more at risk if you're running an OS with a large market share because script kiddies will be able to exploit your box.

[Golden Eagle]

Gives most of his money to fight diseases. If only he would give his software away, you'd be singing his praises.