"And yet you somehow think this vindicates creationism!"
No, it vindicates my argument that the 'conservative' Christian-haters here at FR share something deeply in common w/ high brow leftists over at TNR. Coincidence, or, ahem, evidence of Intelligent Design?
All I can say is that when 'Republicans' on the "Premier Conservative Web Site" find that the Premier Left Wing high brow magazine has it dead right of just how hopeless Christians are ...
Well, I think its good that the association, which I have always believed is quite real, is observed...
Without us, the folks that own the Republican Primary system, the folks that get elected now wouldn't stand a chance if folks like yourself ran the primary system...
So, exactly, what does this mean?
It means that this wing of scientist types within FreeRepublic are leftists indeed hidden inside a horse. It means they have one goal: if you can't defeat the enemy, divide them after you infiltrate them.
And by painting bible centered Christians as leftists, you get a really effective way to smear the Republican Party core as 'uncool'. Given that shows like South Park are all the rage, and that it is more and more cool to slam true liberals, the only way that remains back to power, if you are a leftist, is to false flag those people who are being followed; and though Christians are not effective in all things, they are quite effective in many.
By the way, I will share with you how I found this article. I have been regularly looking for articles, published by Right Wing magazines, which 'thoroughly discredit' the IDers , and how in in the long run IDers are so terribly bad for the GOP. I still can't find them; maybe you have a reference? Maybe George Shultz runs a popluar magazine I have never heard of...
By the way, the TNR had this to say in their concluding paragraphs in "How I.D. Hurts Conservatives":
There's an odd reversal-of-roles at work here. In the past, it was often the right that tried to draw societal implications from Darwinism, and the left that stood against them. And for understandable reasons: When people draw political conclusions from Darwin's theory, they're nearly always inegalitarian conclusions. Hence social Darwinism, hence scientific racism, hence eugenics.
Which is why however useful intelligent design may be as a rhetorical ploy, liberals eager to claim the mantle of science in the bioethics battle should beware. The left often thinks of modern science as a child of liberalism, but if anything, the reverse is true. And what scientific thought helped to forge--the belief that all human beings are equal--scientific thought can undermine as well. Conservatives may be wrong about evolution, but they aren't necessarily wrong about the dangers of using Darwin, or the National Academy of Sciences, as a guide to political and moral order.
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I find TNR really likes this subject. And that the nazi types, (leftists are consistent), still are painted as 'right wing'. Why do you figure that is Jenny, and more interestly, why do you figure that so many 'Amens!!' are coming from PH's Corner on FR?
It is possible that I am just fantastically disoriented here ... but be a good Freeper please, if you believe this is true. I ask you to direct me to that document which will 'orient' me, and help me see the wisdom of you and your collegues.
Or maybe that one Freeper who used to be a rabid IDer, but due to the care, sensitivity, and excellence of persuasion of Randian types, joined the 'rational side'...
For in truth, I really don't have any desire to be the leftist's fool, and it is quite possible I am wrong in my outlook. The last thing I want is an authentic Freeper to think I subscribe to 'postmodern nihilism'. If that were true, then, by definition, it would be ME who is the leftist, disguised as a conservative, who is attempting to 'split' the core of the true GOP.
And waking up to that truth would be a real bummer...
don't you agree?
What indeed?
gobucks, I read the TNR article you posted 3 times through, trying to work out for the life of me how this piece says anything which isn't utterly damning to the case you generally make in these threads--but nope, just couldn't see it.
I have now tried, also 3 times, to follow your argument in your posted reply to jennyp--but nope again, I just can't follow your reasoning here at all. I pretty much lose you somewhere around the 'shows like South Park are all the rage' part.
You appear to be claiming some sort of elaborate 'entryism' into the GOP by--well, by whom exactly is one of the things I honestly can't work out from your posting. My best guess is that "the 'conservative' Christian-haters" are meant.
As a conservative, as a Christian, and as one persuaded by the scientific arguments of Darwinian evolutionary theory, I would probably find both the characterisation and the allegation here objectional--except that it is not even intelligible
For in truth, I really don't have any desire to be the leftist's fool, and it is quite possible I am wrong in my outlook. The last thing I want is an authentic Freeper to think I subscribe to 'postmodern nihilism'. If that were true, then, by definition, it would be ME who is the leftist, disguised as a conservative, who is attempting to 'split' the core of the true GOP.It's not that you're a leftist yourself. It's that you have started your fight with the left by capitulating to the core assumption of one of their most radical elements: That there is no objective truth in the real world. Where leftists try to thrive within that world of moral subjectivism, you try to get out of it by inserting God-as-lawmaker to impose a moral code from the outside as a surrogate for the objective truth that you wrongly assume doesn't really exist.
If God does exist, He could enforce the law, or He could encourage us to follow the law, but it's wrong to think He needs to think up some law in order for there to be one for us to follow in the first place.
The Intelligent Design crowd fears evolution because they fear that if people lose their belief in God, they'll lose any reason to act morally - because they don't believe the real world contains any compelling reasons to act morally.
Resources for those interested in understanding creationism as a capitulation to postmodernist subjectivism: