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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"And when they come up with material, non-supernatural ones they can take part in a scientific discussion"

I think that is precisely the point. IDers, if I could speak for them, would maintain that there is more to creation and life than merely the physical components.

If that is true then a science which rejects all nonmaterial evidence/logic out of hand is inadequate to explain life. Yet many proponents of evo. hold forth the position that life can only be explained by its physical properties.

From this layman's POV "science", that is the academic elites, have for the last century or so been trying to put religion in a box, to marginalize it, and to force it out of the arena of important ideas. That explains the backlash.

I don't believe that IDers are anti-science, I know that I'm not. I do, however, believe that the box fitted out for religion by the scientific community is more appropriate for science itself. If science, and perhaps rightly so, cannot envision or account for a reality beyond materialism then it is self limiting and should, therefore, drop all "supranatural" claims at explaining life.

Of course I doubt that will happen, just as I doubt my opinioms will get even a second thought.

147 posted on 09/25/2005 5:34:13 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Pietro
" IDers, if I could speak for them, would maintain that there is more to creation and life than merely the physical components."

There is no way to examine and test non-physical components.

"If science, and perhaps rightly so, cannot envision or account for a reality beyond materialism then it is self limiting and should, therefore, drop all "supra natural" claims at explaining life."

Science makes no supra natural claims, that would be religion and ID. There is no EVIDENCE for a reality beyond matter. For either science or religion. Until some shows up, there is no reason to waste time with untestable speculation like ID.
148 posted on 09/25/2005 5:55:00 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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