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To: Diamond
Although this question is off topic, sort of, after reading this post of yours, I have to ask: are you a golfer?

Golf is about swinging the 'right' way. The room for error is so small ... and the impact of hanging around and watching people who don't know how to swing correctly is so significant, it is no wonder so many clubs are gathering dust in garages or green fuzz on the bottom of a pond.

So many fail to pick up their clubs, once the evidence is present that the work ahead of them is so steep. Diamond, what I mean to say is that I would LOVE the ability to off the top of my head write:

Even if you could hypothetically explain all consciousness in terms of matter, you still are still saying that matter ends up producing real morality; actual, not illusory, right and wrong. Is matter or any of its emergent properties dualistic? Conversely, is morality just a property of human consciousness? If it is then it is entirely subjective, and not worthy of the name.

Asking the question, how does matter end up 'producing real morality'.... that is the kind of golf swing I frankly want to imitate. So, I'm guessing you are likely a golfer ... perhaps with a handicap in the single digits. The principles are so similar... Btw, I use the 20 Bill analogy ... is it green paper, or is it really 20 Dollars? I tell my Sunday School students that the hypocrit Christians are the best evidence BY FAR of the validity of Christ ... for who wants to counterfeit a fake? How many people are struggling to defeat the anti-counterfeiting measures taken by the Nigerian Gov't to protect their currency, the Naira? Thus, we have figured out without talking about it much, how to make the U.S. Dollar a 'standard', one that is worthy of massive counterfeiting efforts. But we don't talk very much about the good news a counterfeit 20 dollar bill actually tells us.

So, that all said, I'm still interested: are you a golfer?

142 posted on 09/25/2005 4:43:09 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks
I tried to play golf one time in my life and decided right then and there (exercising my free will) that for me golf was a game of utter futility and despair. I couldn't imagine hitting that little ball, and even if I did manage to hit it, what was the sense in hitting a ball as far as I could only to walk after it and hit it again?

I think the same principles apply though, in any endeavor. I happen to be a musician, among other things, and it takes the same type of formula to be good at music as it does doing other things. There is no substitute for perseverance, attention to detail, practice, and of course, ability. Greatness is another thing, though. Sometimes you see things that make you wonder. I listened to a 15 year pianist from Ukraine over the weekend at the R.C. Sproul conference and felt such marvel at being in the presence of such skill and maturity that I didn't want to ever pick up my instrument again. I will, though, because I like to play, even though I know I will never be THAT good at ANYTHING, at least in this life.

I'm just a putterer on these threads, but thanks for your comments all the same.

Cordially,

153 posted on 09/26/2005 8:24:42 AM PDT by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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