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The fact that more scientists admit there is validity to ID means that at some point people are going to have to come up with something better than character assassination to rebut it (though I doubt most are capable of it). The fact that it arouses such a reaction in its detractors (and given the personalities of such detractors) has me interested in it - bribing museums and attempts to censor through the courts doesn't indicate to me a very good foundation in scientific truth (unless filing a lawsuit was recently added to the scientific method). American Spectator had a good article about ID several months ago, and now I see Time is covering it.


38 posted on 09/19/2005 5:28:04 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Real men don't buy their firewood.)
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To: Hacksaw

"The fact that more scientists admit there is validity to ID..."

This is not true. More scientists are not advocating ID.

"The fact that it arouses such a reaction in its detractors..."

Is because we are concerned about the scientific education of this country. ID (as stated by it's main proponents) is crap.
It has no place in a science classroom.


39 posted on 09/19/2005 5:32:53 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Hacksaw
The fact that more scientists admit there is validity to ID...

More? More than what?

You need to Google "Project Steve" and look at the Discovery Institute web site. There's been about 400 "scientists" who've signed a very generic statement from DI that basically says they have some problems with evolution (not saying that evolution is false, only that they have a problem somehow with it). Many scientists have requested that their names be removed from that list.

The Project Steve list implies a number of about 50,000 scientists that support evolution.

That means about 99+% of scientists disagree with you.

I hate to use the argument from authority method, but that's where the IDers have led us.

40 posted on 09/19/2005 5:35:24 PM PDT by narby
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To: Hacksaw
Actually character assassination is part of any competitive enterprise. In sports it's called trash talk. Science is extremely competitive. If you want religion tossed int this environment, be my guest. It's about time religion got the chip off its shoulder and started duking it out in an arena where only physical evidence counts.

As for who's moving to which side, the three most respected leaders in the ID movement -- Dembski, Behe and Denton -- have accepted the fact of evolution, namely an old earth and common descent. Wells is a paid hack for the Rev. Moon, and Johnson is a trial lawyer.
51 posted on 09/19/2005 5:55:30 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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