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To: betty boop
Jean, there are so many exceptional posts on this excellent thread!

I'd like to make one personal comment on your expressed discomfort early on with the Founders’ wording as to the unalienable rights of ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’

I, too, have always been uncomfortable with the ‘pursuit of happiness’ wording.

I teach our adult Sunday school class at church, which generally consists of between forty and sixty adults, ranging in age from about twenty-five to eighty.

In one of my lessons about three years ago, I brought up the fact that I hold our Founders in deep reverence, but that I do take issue with that portion of their wording in the Declaration.

I explained that, in my own personal experience, any time I ‘pursued’ happiness, I rarely, if ever, achieved my goal. And the happiest times in my life have always occurred simply as a by-product of making ‘right’ choices (as opposed to convenient, self-serving, or popular ones), rather than seeking happiness (a nebulous term, to begin with) as a goal in and of itself.

During that particular Sunday school lesson, my reference to that portion of the Declaration was only intended to be mentioned in passing. But, once that subject was opened to discussion, we spent the entire remainder of the hour focused right there, with many of the class members relating (sometimes very heart-rending) stories of their own that seemed to support the notion that happiness generally cannot be ‘pursued,’ but rather that it is a natural (and sometimes unexpected) result that occurs when we are willing to choose the ‘right’ path in pivotal life situations.

I do wish the Founders had acceded to the ‘right to property’ wording instead, as it appears in several other colonial documents. Under the rights established by the First Continental Congress: Declaration of Colonial Rights (1774), the first ‘right’ established for the English Colonies in North America is that they are entitled to life, liberty, and property, and they have never ceded to any sovereign power whatever a right to dispose of either without their consent. And Boston's 1772 Rights of the Colonists echoed the same: Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First, a right to life; secondly to liberty; thirdly to property.

I, for one, believe that the Founders’ (albeit small) divergence from Locke’s wording in his magnificent treatises on liberty was, in this particular case, a dilution rather than an improvement.

Again, Jean, many thanks for your superb essay at the head of this thread, and for inviting, and contributing to, the extraordinarily insightful comments that followed!
~ joanie

167 posted on 09/27/2005 10:22:45 PM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f; Alamo-Girl; marron; xzins; YHAOS; Amos the Prophet
...in my own personal experience, any time I ‘pursued’ happiness, I rarely, if ever, achieved my goal. And the happiest times in my life have always occurred simply as a by-product of making ‘right’ choices (as opposed to convenient, self-serving, or popular ones), rather than seeking happiness (a nebulous term, to begin with) as a goal in and of itself.

Joanie, my personal experience has been the same as yours. And you put your finger on precisely my own misgivings about the "happiness" language here: It is self-defeating to make it a goal, for then it will most probably elude your grasp. For there can always be imagined a yet greater happiness to pursue. IOW, the goal post keeps moving, ever just beyond our grasp. To me, happiness is indeed a by-product of right choices in life, of "doing the right thing at the right time." To live life in the love of God and neighbor is, to me, the best presciption for happiness in this life.

Within the framework of meaning of the DoI, "property" would probably have been the more suitable term. For property is a man's "substance," the wherewithal that fosters his ability to live in liberty; i.e., so that he is not dependent on others for the maintenance of his life and his freedom.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience regarding the adult Sunday school class you taught. I had a similar experience at the beauty shop (of all places) recently. It is amazing how thoughtful and forthcoming your so-called "average person" can be when provoked by questions that go to fundamental problems of human existence.

Thanks again, joanie, for your beautiful and insightful essay/post!

168 posted on 09/28/2005 6:42:59 AM PDT by betty boop (Know thyself. -- Plato)
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