Posted on 09/18/2005 7:52:36 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s
Sorry, this is pure hokum:
there are certain properties of water, and hydrogen, that require that huge amounts of energy be expended in dissociating water into O2 and H2 - just about exactly the amount of energy produced in burning or otherwise reacting H2, e.g. fuel cell, etc. But the dissociation is not a perfectly efficient process, nor is the generation of electricity (50% - 70% efficient?).
So what you have here is a perpetual motion machine, one that would produce energy in reacting hydrogen, use some of that energy to produce hydrogen, and still have some energy left over to produce useful work?!?
Nice try.
A gallon of water weighs about 8.39 lbs.; the mw of the hydrogen is about 1/32 that of an equivalent amount of oxygen so its weight can be no more than 1/4 lbs.
Since hydrogen has 1.22 times the BTU/lbs as gasoline and it takes 4.8 lbs H2O to get 1 lbs of hydrogen, then a car with an onboard separator could theoretically go from 30 MPG to 36 MPG; now if the water supply has to be replenished every 80 miles on their test vehicle it must have a tank for the distilled water with a capacity of 11 gallons which will be consumed every 2.2 hours at 60 MPH.
No. I find it typical of such claims.
Chaos.
Williams doesn't want to make money just through selling H2N-Gen units. He has his eye on getting a share of the fuel savings.I find that to be most interesting in all the article.
In other words, he would hope to install the H2N-Gen unit in, say, every Canadian National railway and truck engine for free in return for a percentage of CN's fuel savings.
Furthermore, he would hope to get his hands on carbon credits promised by the Kyoto Protocol. The trade in carbon credits is predicted to be a multi-billion-dollar business as countries attempt to meet their 2012 obligations of cutting greenhouse gases to below 1990 levels. Those who fail to make the cuts will be fined or will have to buy credits from companies that have cut well below the agreed levels.
Sort of like an enzyme facilitates a chemical reaction and is consumed in the process.
Do you want fries with that?
Customers who purchased this product also purchased:
The super micro solar panel that keeps your car battery at peak charge.
The adhesive backed plastic film antenna that makes your cell phone work anywhere.
Boy, I blew the math on that one; it will take 33 times as much water as gasoline to increase the MPG from 30 to 36 for a water tank of roughly 70 gallons of water assuming the added energy is from the combustion of the hydrogen.
My first post was assuming the use of hydrogen alone.
Blue
I work for one of those oil companies and it is simple supply and demand. How can you say otherwise?? Evidence of price manipulation?? Anything??
I liked the one about the cow magnets better.
I played around with disassociation. I put a couple of spark plugs in a plexiglass block. Then I ran a water in a channel between them and hooked up a distributor and coil to a electric motor.
When I fired it up and held my hand over it I could feel a fairly strong force pushing up against my hand, I guess I had some kind of plasma thing going.
Well I ceased my experiments when a 10 in. spark shot out of my other hand to the test bench, scared me pretty good.
Not sure whether I generated any hydrogen or not but it ended my bid to solve the energy problem.
I work in Transportation. We have a huge fleet, so even tiny improvements in fuel efficency or cost will save us big bucks.
We have throughly tested every gadget and gizmo we could lay our hands on. They are all pure snake oil so far.
Our successes to date:
1. Fueling vehicles on compressed natural gas (CNG.) Works great, still way cheaper per gallon equivalent than gasoline. Vehicles are pricey, though- we have to run them a long time to recoup the cost differential, although that just got substantially shorter.
Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) would solve the range problem, but the Safety Nazis and EnviroNazis don't like LNG (never mind that it's safer than gasoline and identical to Liquid Propane (LPG)
Working on reclaiming landfill gas for fueling trash trucks- turns a waste product into low-cost fuel.
2. Inject 10% CNG into diesel engines. Works great, lowers emissions, reduces costs. High conversion cost and long payback- a wash at this point except for reduced emissions. Trucks still run on 100% diesel if necessary.
3. BioDiesel- works great as a blend with petroleum diesel (30% summer, 10% winter.) Solves lubrication problems with ultra-low sulfur "clean" diesel fuel. But still prohibitively expensive- cost has stayed ahead of rising petroleum diesel prices so far. Can be used with #2 above to reduce petroleum diesel consumption by 20-40%.
Hybrid vehicles only save fuel in start-and-stop driving, and even then they payback isn't there- you won't save enough fuel over the life of the vehicle to make up the difference in price.
We would be glad to go with Hydrogen, if somebody can figure out a cost-effective way of unlocking it from the water and a practical storage system (real bad energy density per pound with current storage systems.)
bump
Water injection works, but by a different mechanism from what this guy's device supposedly does. We used water injection in aircraft engines in WWII.
Actually, if you were told that by someone, they were either pulling your leg, or lying. Water injection could often help give more power, but it was because many of the engines back then had excessivly retarded ignition timing. However, if you tried increasing the timing, you would wind up with some very serious preignition. The water injection (and the ones I saw were not a drip... They had a pump that actually sprayed a mist into the carb) would cool the charge, and help prevent preignition. You could then increase the timinging lead. It also helped when you couldn't find decent premium gas.
Mark
Agreed. Snake oil. Is this company traded on the TSE? That would certainly explain a lot.
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