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To: wallcrawlr

Hey, this is what the Bush family gets for being nice to old Bill. A lesson to all: you can't be nice to Democrats, unless you're willing to be played for a fool.


16 posted on 09/18/2005 2:57:12 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly; Chieftain

Bush is defintely NOT a fool. Clinton will get the limelight anyways from the MSM..so you can't stop that. Bush now needs to make katrina a big success story and if you have a Rep and a Dem (both former presidents) you can at least get the donations that will be needed. To exclude Clinton Bush would be cutting off his nose to spite his face on Katrina.

Furthermore, the leftist Dems Love Clinton no matter what Bush says. The republicans hate Clinton and Love Bush no matter what goofs he makes. So for the REST of the country it is much better for Bush if he is not in a direct conflict with Clinton. It makes Bush look much better and diminishes Clinton every time Clinton opens his mouth.


28 posted on 09/18/2005 3:04:56 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (I'm sick of Oprah!)
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To: popdonnelly
Hey, this is what the Bush family gets for being nice to old Bill.

The name of the game is selling moderate voters. It is the Centrists that provide the margin of victory in general elections. On the other hand, it is the left wing base that selects the Democratic Nominee.

Clinton fell for the Bush/Rove trap. By being nice to Clinton, Bush comes off as a non partisan nice guy with the centrist voters. So did Bill Clinton. But by being George HW Bush's friend Clinton, lost the support of the Democratic Base. Hillary has to have that base to get the nomination.

But by turning on Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton are coming across as a couple who will turn on their friends and supporters. That is not a good place to be with moderate voters.

Centrists rarely vote for candidates they think will turn on them. In fact they never do. Bill and Hillary Clinton could have always opposed Bush and been fine with the base and the moderates. But by first supporting and then turning on Bush, the Clintons have screwed themselves with the voters they need to win a general election. But if they had continued to support Bush, they would have totally screwed themselves with the base and lost the primaries.

All this tells us is the latest Clinton polls show their support for Bush is going to cost them the Democratic nomination. The large number of vocal Democrats who support Howard Dean as Chairman are not going to nominate a Hillary and Bill who are suporters of Dubya. To get back in the good graces of the Democratic party base, Hillary and Bill have to attack Bush... at the cost of independent voters. They think it will work because they believe Bush has lost the independent voters. That is a fallacy they will discover far too late to fix. It does not matter where dubya is with moderates. What matters is the Clintons turn on their friends.

If Bill Clinton had not turned on Bush, Hillary had no issues to run on in 2008 and little support in her own party base. When Bill turns on Bush he gets tagged as no good SOB's who stabs his friends in the back. That would please the Democratic base but not the moderate voters.

Bill has taken the only possible chance to turn the tide so Hillary can at least win the nomination. They have decided to attack Bush. That might help them get the Democratic nomination but it will not help Hillary win the general election and regain the presidency.

Tons of people in politics don't understand how to win friends and influence people. Karl Rove does and he designed the way to put the Clinton's into a lose/lose situation.

It appears that when Bill and Hillary decided their current strategyl they chose win the Democratic primaries on over lose the primaries. The cost however is huge. The cost is losing the general election.

How many people would like to have as president someone who turns on those that befriend them?

It is limited to the 18 percent of voters who decide the Democratic Primary


101 posted on 09/18/2005 3:47:19 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: popdonnelly
Good evening.
"...you can't be nice to Democrats, unless you're willing to be played for a fool."

If you are playing the DemocRATs for fools it's kinda fun to be nice to them.

Michael Frazier
198 posted on 09/18/2005 5:30:38 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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