[Nowhere Man]

Sometimes its no use argeueing with these people who support "free" trade. They believe what Limbaugh, the WSJ op ed pages and their ilk tell them to believe. The so called mainstream conservative movment is every bit as bankrupt as liberalism was by the late 70s. The fact "free" traders can not follow though on simple logic, much less have any sense of history shows me their ideas are bankrupt.

You got that right, that it until it affects them personally then they will change their tunes. Arguing with them is like a Warner Bros. cartoon character pushing a lump on his head down only to have it pop out from somewhere else. I know I get flak for this, but as Michael Savage said one night, "the free market only exists in textbooks." You have so many factors in the economy, mostly by human nature that affect it all. I'm not much into mainstream conservatism, I'm more of an "independent conservative" again, as Michael Savage would put it.

[RFT1]

My educated guess is that there will be a breaking point where political winds will change rapidly, and the GOP/mainstream conservatives will be caught off gaurd. They seem to forget that it is social, not economic issues that has given the GOP majority party status for the time being, but as more or more people, especially blue collar white males are put though economic stress, both though job outsourcing and legal and illegal immigration, I suspect a Democrat that is both though on illegal immigration and though on "free" trade would gain much headway in the next presidential election.

Of course with a Democratic takeover of the govrenmnet will come a whole new slew of taxes, and I suspect, especially since even some in big business now want it because they say they are at a disadvantage with foreign companies, a govrenment takeover in health care.