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To: Polybius
Any man who believes that once a woman has a child she can no longer honestly love a man, or be loved by one, because there is a child, should never get married. Whether the encumberance comes at the beginning, or interrupts them a few months later, is not the point.

RE your coworker: Imagine how that courtship went:

I imagine it was quite different than you assume.... Unless you think the man who fell in love with her was just a stupid victim, like you have assumed all men who suffer women. Don't make so many assumptions about the hearts of others. So she talked about the baby to former coworkers.... would you rather she talked about the great sex that made it happen?

I met my husband 'over the internet', right her on FReeRepublic as a sheer coincidence.

He lived 1400 miles away, and we only got to date in person a week before he decided to go home and pack. Of course, we knew each other quite well before we ever met. I assume this coworker of yours knows all about that. But you don't. ;~D

158 posted on 09/18/2005 11:57:53 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Any man who believes that once a woman has a child she can no longer honestly love a man, or be loved by one, because there is a child, should never get married.

That statement is a Strawman Argument of your own creation.

My original statement was that a young single man should consider at least five times why a woman without a child might not be a better choice for him than a single Mom who might be more interested in financial security considerations than in true love.

I imagine it was quite different than you assume.... Unless you think the man who fell in love with her was just a stupid victim, like you have assumed all men who suffer women.

There you go again. Another Strawmwn Argument.

If I advise caution under very specific circumstances, you claim that I think that all men who interact with women must be "stupid victims".

Any man that knowingly gets involved with a woman that has flat out said that she will be married within a year to a man that she has not even met yet is a "stupid victim".

I'm quite certain that that particular guy did not know that information as I doubt she ever discussed her self-imposed deadlines with him and she never brought him around work to meet the people who she bragged about her deadline too.

The guy was not "stupid". He was uninformed and, if he had been more cautious, he should have said, "What's the rush? Let's slow down and get to know each other better before we get married."

Don't make so many assumptions about the hearts of others. So she talked about the baby to former coworkers....

What assumptions?

It is a fact that she bragged that she would have that baby within a one year and a few months time period........now pay attention to this crucial point.......with a man she had not even met yet.

would you rather she talked about the great sex that made it happen?

Another Strawman Argument.

I would have rather if she had said how she was ready to settle down and start a family with a man that she truly loved. I would rather if she had said that she realized that finding such a man can take time but that she would give it as much time as was needed in order to be certain that it was True Love.

Instead, she focused on a self-imposed time deadline of marrying a man she had not even met yet within one year before she turned 30........And when she bragged about that, she had just turned 29!

I met my husband 'over the internet', right her on FReeRepublic as a sheer coincidence. He lived 1400 miles away, and we only got to date in person a week before he decided to go home and pack. Of course, we knew each other quite well before we ever met.

That is the point:

You knew each other well.

No arbitrary time deadlines were imposed by either one of you.

By the time you were married, it was true love.

The Internet part of it is a minor detail. Everybody has to meet somewhere.

There is a difference between meeting sombedody on the Internet and letting love develop as opposed to using the Internet as the most time-efficient way to meet people aand then rushing the relationship solely for the purpose of meeting a self-imposed one year dealine for meeting a total stranger and then marrying him in order to have children as soon as biologically possible after that.

179 posted on 09/18/2005 12:44:00 PM PDT by Polybius
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