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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

wHERE AMONG t h e 1.2 billion moslems is just ONE with enough guts to issue a fatwa of Death on Zarqawi. Not just one of these blah blah fatwas with no teeth. I'm taking about the kind the Shiites put out on Rushdie. Not one moslem on earth has put out that kind of Death Fatwa on Osama or Zarqawi.

They do that, and someone I guess could get one of those 72 virgin travel packages that I've heard so much about, if the waxed Osama or Zarqawi.

Where are all the good moslem mullahs?

Now I have heard that in Spain there was a fatwa against Osama and they called him an apostate.

They accused him of abandoning his religion and urged others of their faith to denounce the al Qaeda leader, who is believed to be hiding out near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The fatwa said that, in accordance with the Koran, "the terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his organisation al-Qa'eda... are totally banned and must be roundly condemned as part of Islam".

added: "Inasmuch as Usama bin Laden and his organization defend terrorism as legal and try to base it on the Quran ... they are committing the crime of 'istihlal' and thus become apostates that should not be considered Muslims or treated as such." The Arabic term 'istihlal' refers to the act of making up one's own laws.

Heretofore we declare in good faith the following resolution:

1. That Islam rejects terrorism in all its manifestations, being the death or damage to innocent human beings or to their properties.

2. That Islam is the main victim of terrorist attacks made by some groups that falsely call themselves "Islamic", inasmuch as such attacks not only take the life of numerous Muslims, but because they also damage the image of Islam by fomenting feelings of islamophobia and serving the interests of the enemies of Islam.

3. That these groups try to conceal their deviation through falsehoods and manipulated interpretations of sacred texts, in an attempt to gain support among Muslims or to reclute new followers.

This fraud must be denounced with force by the wise people and leaders of Islam worldwide

4. That those who commit terrorist acts violate Koranic teachings and thus turn apostates who have left Islam.

5. That the duty of every Muslim is to fight actively against terrorism, in accordance with the Koranic mandate that establishes the obligation to prevent corruption from overtaking the Earth.

Based on what has been exposed, it comes to dictate :

That according to the Sharia, all who declare halal or allowed what God has declared haram or prohibited, like the killing of innocent people in terrorist attacks, have become Kafir Murtadd Mustahlil, that's to say an apostate, by trying to make a crime such as the murder of innocents, halal (istihlal); a crime forbidden by the Sacred Koran and the Sunna of the Prophet Muhammad, God bless him and save him.

As long as Osama ben Laden and his organization defend the legality of terrorism and try to base it on the Sacred Koran and the Sunna, they are committing the crime of istihlal and they have become ipso facto apostates (kafir murtadd), who should not be considered Muslim nor be treated as such.




APOSTASY (IRTIDÃD) IN ISLAM:
The act in which a Muslim abandons Islam

"Kill whoever changes his religion," Hadith.

So I say again, where is the big push to kill Osama from the "Arab Street"?

Full Text of Fatwa against Osama at
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/2005jan_comments.php?id=664_0_31_0_C


10 posted on 09/17/2005 12:26:58 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: TomasUSMC

Has anyone else noticed that the terrorists are reduced to killing moslems lately? Wouldn't seem to be a tactic that would gain all that much support. The msm might be helping the cause after all?????


11 posted on 09/17/2005 4:37:55 AM PDT by cb
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To: TomasUSMC

You bring up a number of valid points. I am sure you are aware to some degree as how the various sects of Islam ignore the teachings of each other. Wahhabist, Salafist just to name two, do not even think Shi'ites are muslims but apostate at best.
Many of the more radical sects/sub sects, offshoots would openly condemn say the Zikri sect founded in 15th century as not being worthy of walking on the earth. Islam is one big pile of mixed often highly agitated, hard headed, poorly educated accept within their limited circle, groups of peoples, often driven as much by various Islamic ideologies as by their particular ethnic/geographic locations. As you are well aware, some sects only follow the Qur'ran, and totally reject all that is in the various Hadith books.

So how can we expect anyone to even bother attempting what you suggest? There is much more divisions amoung many of the Islamic groups (including many modernized movements found in a given country) then there is divisions amoung say Christian sects. One would not expect an edict prounounced by the Roman Catholic Church would hold any effect in say the Church of Later Day Saints. Right? Your example though ably put regarding the Shi'ite Mullahs fatwah against Salman Rushdie was not recognized by all muslims as committing an offense. That is, the fatwa was issued by Shi'ites, and Sunni groups who don't even think Shi'ite are muslims just looked the other way. Some Muslim Scholars had followed up over time and said it is hard to find fault with what is plainly shown in the questionable verses in the Qur'an as being able to be defended. So I would ask you, why would those Muslims want to adhere to a fatwa issued by a sect that is not recognized as being Islamic.
The problem as partially iterated above is that Islam is a mix of various believes, and therefore one cannot expect all of them to fall under one broad leadership. Especially when they diverse in so many ways both in theology, ideology and ethnic lines.


14 posted on 09/17/2005 11:23:04 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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