Posted on 09/16/2005 4:27:56 AM PDT by cloud8
Oh, there are many more 'faithful' seminaries than there were even 5 years ago. The latest crop of younger Bishops has moved quickly in cleaning up the problems created by their predecessors.
"While I agree that gays shouldn't receive Holy Orders"
Ain't no such thing as "gays."
"Logically, if any man has same-sex attraction, he should strive for celibacy whether he is a priest or not."
Sure, but it's not "same-sex attraction," it's "same-sex attraction **disorder**, a mental disorder that manifests as a compulsion -- not a normal desire, a disordered compulsion -- to engage in certain perversions.
A man with that mental disorder has about the same chance of remaining celibate as a rattlesnake has of landing a job dancing with the Rockettes.
"but that is what prayer and grace are for."
With God, all things are possible, but you can't order up miracles like pay-per-view movies.
1Corinthians 7:8-9
Now to the unmarried and to widows, I say: it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do, but if they cannot exercise self-control they should marry, for it is better to marry than to be on fire.
Search engines are our friends.
Of course, you can always do what our 'beloved' bishop McCormack in Manchester, NH does and place anyone identified to you as a homo, pedophile priests into a nice local parish with plenty of kids while concealing the priest's sexual preferences. McCormack did this even after he left the employ of Boston's Cardinal 'Gay-boy' Law.
Look for the "guys" wearin' panties!
>As you know, celibacy is unscriptural. It's not God's way. It causes normal sexual desire comes out the wrong way.<
What an IGNORANT statement!
All that is needed to find gays in the seminary is to ring the front doorbell.
The question is - What are they going to do when they find an alarmingly high percentage of gays in the seminary?
"Celebacy IS a drving factor in homosexual behavior."
Which is why today's social climate of unprecedented license has resulted in an increase in homosexual behavior?
Should be going the other way, shouldn't it? With jr. high girls hitting their knees to give BJs the way they used to hit their knees to pray, homosexual behavior should be trending down sharply, shouldn't it?
The homosexual behavior in prison is generally not true same-sex attraction disorder. I don't know what the numbers are, but many prisons segregate men with blatant cases of SSAD from the general prison population.
It's more a matter of, "Some men would do a cobra if they could get somebody to hold its head."
I don't think I'll bother giving the Globe a hit by clicking on the article. From the first sentences the 'rights' advocates appear to be stirring.
'Rights' advocates don't have any standing on this matter.
The day this country considers it a civil 'right' for anyone to be a priest in the Catholic Church will be a dark day indeed.
The Scripture I quoted earlier makes it perfectly clear that those IN LEADERSHIP (ie: overseer, deacons, etc) are to be tested, PROVEN, MARRIED men, who's lives could be used as example, and authority.
Paul, referring to everyone, in general, makes note that it is better to be unmarried, because of the reality of life. To say something "is better" is seeking the ideal. In my quote above, he makes it more clear, why.
The RC church takes young men into its seminary, requires them to keep away from contact with women, and then sets them as the authority, in the church, on familial relationships.
I don't know of many businesses that can function under the control on someone with no experience. Sure, they have a manual (Scripture), but it also takes the necessary understanding of life, by older, settled married men.
Paul didn't stutter. The RC church just chooses to ignore those little things which don't coincide with their "revelations"...
I am much obliged for all who provided the verses I was trying to recall.
Just as you will ignore Paul...see my #51.
First part, you're right. Second part, wrong. Celibacy will not turn a straight into a queer.
But, of course, the Church does not just consist of leadership by bishops and priests. The laity is also the Church and I know from personal experience the leadership does not try to handle every problem that comes to them by themselves. They routinely rely on mature married lay persons to assist them when they need it.
You are woefully ignorant of Scripture.
Neither St. Paul nor Jesus Christ married. Each priest is to model himself after Christ (alterius Christus). St. Paul is another role model.
There is already a rule prohibiting homosexuals from being in the clergy, only now there will be a great deal more attention and closer enforcement of the rule.
You're too ignorant to be commenting on this topic. I seriously doubt that you've ever read Canons XXVII and XXXIII of the Council of Elvira, circa 302 AD, for starters.
It would be extremely wise for the Catholic Church to revisit a Church Law
Celibacy is a discipline not a law. Perry Mason you are not.
As a matter of fact, there ARE certain "rites", e.g. eastern Roman Catholic clergy, which never practiced celibacy and are permitted to marry while still functioning as clergymen.
Incorrect, again. While married men can be ordained in all Rites of the Catholic Church, including the Latin Rite under the 1980 Pastoral Provision of Pope John Paul II, once ordained single priests may not then marry, in any Rite. Additionally, Bishops in the Eastern Rites are chosen exclusively from amongst celibates.
Before you attempt to comment on something you know so little about, again, do everyone a favor and don't.
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