Vatican bid to find gays in seminary stirs concern

boston.com ^ | September 16, 2005 | By Michael Paulson

[BnBlFlag]

And why would this be a matter of "concern"? In fact, its overdue. Let the Homos cry all they want to.
Now lets move on to the ECUSA next and clean up that rat's nest of depravity.

[SoothingDave]

Are you appealing to tradition?

Are you?

I asked you first. I'm not sure why you quote at length from someone's Bible dictionary in order to get around the basic fact that the English word "priest" comes from the Greek "presbyter," or elder.

SD

[pageonetoo]

I asked you first. I'm not sure why you quote at length from someone's Bible dictionary in order to get around the basic fact that the English word "priest" comes from the Greek "presbyter," or elder.

I'll rely on St. Jeromes' work, from the fourth and fifth centuries, and who was a much greater linguist than you could ever hope to be.

Rather than go into a long disertation, myself, I cut and pasted a valid response to the question about elders. The early Christians did not recognize a Roman leadership role in the church, and only as time passed, did it come into being. History is always changing. Just ask Joseph Smith when you meet him!.

I have been quoted all sorts of reasons to repent and declare my apostacy. I have been called stupid, ignorant, and worse. However, my understanding is that Jerome never spoke ENGLISH. The Greek writings were translated into the latin vulgate, and not until hundreds of years later, was there any way for the laity to see them.

The popular King James version does the same. It is a translation of a translation.

I use the NIV, because, though it is not a LITERAL translation, it is closest in representing the ACTUAL words written. It was translated by modern scholars, with an awareness of both worlds, and words.

Your entire arguments, collectively, are built on your church's interpretations, and usurpation. I can make my own theology if I add an Apocrypha, or Book of Mormon.

Jesus gave Peter a charge. It wasn't to build a manmade, earthly empire. It was to continue to spread the 'good news' of the Messiah... and Paul never gave anybody authority to set apart a special "priesthood". Jesus is the High Priest. Scripture says that we are His "joint heirs". I don't need to follow the teachings of the RC church, to be saved...

What the meaning of "is" is...

Matthew 16:16ff- And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

I have posted Scriptures which are ignored, in a most interesting display of "piety" and "malice" ... Scripture tells me to "shake the dust off my feet'!

[SoothingDave]

However, my understanding is that Jerome never spoke ENGLISH. The Greek writings were translated into the latin vulgate, and not until hundreds of years later, was there any way for the laity to see them.

Right, because no one in the Roman Empire could read Latin. Your prejudice vastly outweighs your scholarship or reasoning.

(Psst. "Vulgate" is the same root as "vulgar," meaning "common.")

SD

[Campion]

Well, we know what St Paul said about it - better to marry than to burn

He's crystal clear in 1 Corinthians 7 that the celibate state is to be preferred to the married state.

[Campion]

Celebacy IS a drving factor in homosexual behavior. How many prison inmates, never before practicing homos, turn to the same sex for release when the opposite sex is unavailable? This has also been true throughout recorded history.

What do you say to your teenage son when he explains that it is impossible for him not to sleep with his girlfriend?

[Campion]

The Greek writings were translated into the latin vulgate, and not until hundreds of years later, was there any way for the laity to see them.

??? The Greek was translated into Latin because that was the common tongue of the people in the West at the time.

In fact, it was still the common tongue of educated people in Europe a thousand years later. Latin isn't some secret code, you know.

[ImpeachandRemove]

As you know, celibacy is unscriptural.

I guess you probably better read St. Paul and become better informed.

[hispanichoosier]

Paul said is would be better to not marry, reason, Paul was on the road, and it was not a safe thing to travel around with wife and children, NOT that it was forbidden.

And that's the same reason the Catholic Church doesn't have a married clergy! It's not that it's intrinsically evil, as my previous posts have noted. A priest has to be ready to relocate when his bishop wishes him to.

[Coleus]

Link to related article posted earlier this morning. >>

if there was already an article addressing this topic, why waste FR's bandwidth and post another separate one. this article could have been added to the first.

[Conservative til I die]

I guess the three years I spent attending a Bible college was in vain, as well as my studies in Greek and Hebrew writings.

I'm not sure why you think promoting your education at what I presume is an Evangelical Bible college is supposed to impress others. Most of these schools are diploma mills.

[Conservative til I die]

Christ was celibate. He was God, by the way. Guess he was some sort of sexual deviant.

Is there anything more ignorant than an anti-Catholic?

[Conservative til I die]

Well, we know what St Paul said about it - better to marry than to burn, or something like that. I

As I heard once from a wise Catholic, if you want to truly understand the Bible on a Catholic level, read the verses before and after the verse you're quoting.

In this case, Paul is only making the "wed...burn" comment as a contrast to the preferred state of celibate living. It's the lesser of two goods, let's just say.

This I say by way of concession, however, not as a command. Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a particular gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.

Now to the unmarried and to widows, I say: it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do, but if they cannot exercise self-control they should marry, for it is better to marry than to be on fire.

[Conservative til I die]

Christ was celibate. St. Paul was celibate. St. Paul explicitly and clearly stated that he wished for the people he wrote to to remain celibate like he was. But, if they couldn't handle it, it was certainly better for them to marry rather than to burn.

There are three levels of sexual behavior that Paul spoke of in Corinthians, in order of best to worst: 1) Celibacy, 2) Marriage, 3) Burning.

[TrailofTears]

Actually what i was trying to say was that in today's modern society it is a lot harder to recruit young men to be celibate. So they went outside the norm and sought young men that were not seeking women, ie homosexuals.

[ImpeachandRemove]

Somehow I didn't get quotes around the previous poster's claim that celibacy is "unscriptural". Your reply and several others are sufficient to show that both Christ and Paul regarded celibacy to be an exalted (though not mandatory) life practice.

[Conservative til I die]

Sorry, I didn't realize you were quoting there.