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Law Would Require Cleaning Ice, Snow From Cars
The Associated Press ^ | September 15, 2005 | AP

Posted on 09/15/2005 8:35:32 PM PDT by Westlander

BOSTON -- It's cold, it's snowing, and there's ice and snow on the car. So you hop in and go without clearing off all the winter precipitation.

That might soon be against the law in Massachusetts.

The state Legislature is considering a bill that would mean fines of up to $500 and a six-month stay in jail.

The bill is designed to reduce the danger from chunks of snow and ice flying off car roofs or hoods.

If it passes, Massachusetts could become the first state to require snow- and ice-free cars.


TOPICS: Government; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: ice; liberals; massachusetts; nannystate; snow
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To: Westlander

The only DANGER I have ever seen from ICE/SNOW coming off of vehicles are the big chunks that come flying off of the tops of SEMIs.... they definatley would be a $#$$## if you got hit by one.


141 posted on 09/16/2005 7:31:34 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: kms61

Yea, its pretty neat.. like watching a feather fall... slow motion..


142 posted on 09/16/2005 7:32:15 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: AD from SpringBay

um, has your windshieled ever been covered by the snow blowing off the vehicle in front of you? Mine has and it is terrifying. You can't see a thing and because of the road conditions you can't slam on your brakes. This is the cause of many accidents.


143 posted on 09/16/2005 7:36:02 AM PDT by rhetorica
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To: Keith in Iowa

What other annoyances would you like to see made into law?


144 posted on 09/16/2005 7:38:56 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Species8472
Hell I live in Anchorage and have for 40 + years and have never seen the 600 inches of snow your talking about. The average snow fall here is 76" per year and that doesn't stay around. BTW in Anchorage you can get a ticket for Ice and snow on your car.
145 posted on 09/16/2005 7:40:43 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Smarti Pants
One day on my commute to the Boston area several hours after a snow/ice storm I witnessesd the following:

A truck with snow and ice piled so high on the semi-trailer passing under an overpass and scraped all of the load on several passenger vehicles that skidded and braked crashing into a guard rail and another car in an attempt to avoid death from the ice crashing through their windshields. I was about 400 yards behind them doing about 55 where the truck passed me at about 80 and seeing the truck I slowed down in advance of the certain danger about to happen.

Another storm, I passed a couple of cars with their windshields smashed and with a truck pulled over near them. I'm not sure if the driver of the truck saw what happened in front of him and pulled over to offer help but it was certain it was from a truck that had a load of ice on the roof.

At construction sites in England, no dirt hauler can leave the site unless it is pressure washed to rid it of loose material. In Massachusetts, the exits about 16 miles north of Boston on Rt. 93 are the northern end of the dirt haulers moving construction material to Boston every day. There is a berm of sand and gravel along a four lane road all of the way caused by crap falling off and out continuously along the route. There are cars pulled over every week because base ball sized rocks bounce out and smash them. But in Massachusetts apparently it is OK because since the auto insurance industry is directed by the corrupt Democrat legislature, and they mandate no deductible mandatory glass replacement, that for years the trucking industry was off limits with regard to damage caused by dangerous practices.
146 posted on 09/16/2005 7:43:40 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: ncountylee

If you can't clean the snow and ice off your car you shouldn't be driving in the snow and ice. That may sound harsh, but it's only reasonable.

And no this is not an unreasonable law. I regularly see people in the winter get in their cars having cleaned off little more than their windshield and maybe their side windows. They back out of their driveways despite not being able to see what's coming. They're a hazard out on the road due to their limited vision. And as soon as they hit the highway the 10 cubic feet of snow on their roof starts to fly off, creating a blizzard immediately behind them. The only thing that surprises me is if there is not some existing legislation under which they could be fined.


147 posted on 09/16/2005 7:46:02 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Westlander
They need a law for that?
148 posted on 09/16/2005 7:55:53 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: MCCRon58

I actually agree with you. My concern is more with those who leave snow and ice blocking their vision, headlights or taillights. For many vehicles cleaning all snow and ice off the roof is just not practical - tall minivans and SUVs with roof racks come to mind. And getting up on the roof of a semi-trailer covered in ice and snow really sounds like a major injury just waiting to happen. I think ice and snow flying off of vehicle's roofs is just a hazard that you have to deal with. Although, car owners don't really have an excuse, and that snow and ice sliding off your roof and covering your windshield (under braking) or rear window can be a real hazard.


149 posted on 09/16/2005 8:01:20 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Keith in Iowa
I bet you've never had a huge chunk of ice fly off the car in front of you and bounce on your hood, then into your windshield at highway speeds...

I was once one of the people who caused this problem, until I got clobbered by an iceberg at highway speeds and understood all too clearly how dangerous it can be.

I don't have any problem with the law, if it's enforced reasonably.

150 posted on 09/16/2005 8:12:22 AM PDT by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: Ron in Acreage

fargin bastiges~!


151 posted on 09/16/2005 8:39:39 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Rocket1968
They are usually all over the road and "shedding" snow and ice like a dog with mange.

Especially when they become airborne after hitting a "frost heave".

152 posted on 09/16/2005 9:56:41 AM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Westlander
Does that include ice on the top of an 18 wheeler trailer?

Because I've seen some scary incidents of large sheets if ice and snow coming off trucks at 65 MPH.

153 posted on 09/16/2005 9:59:13 AM PDT by airborne
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To: Kaslin
They need a law for that?

The government regulates the size of the holes in swiss cheese. Need I say more?

154 posted on 09/16/2005 10:01:36 AM PDT by airborne
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To: NonValueAdded

I've lived in Germany for 12 years...and noted at least 20 instances where ice chunks came off vehicles and either damaged cars or caused the guy in the rear to drive off into the ditch. Germany has huge fines for not removing ice and snow from a car...although only about half do it regularly.


155 posted on 09/16/2005 10:02:53 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Paladin2

Unfortunately on Mass highways its impossible to not be too close. If you fall back to the 8 car lengths rule at 80 on 93,95,128, turnpike, etc, as soon as you give the guy ahead the room, some numbnut moves into to your lane, so you bitch, and fall back, only to have another numbnut move into the space, so you fall back, etc, etc,etc.

You arrive at work two hours later, totally frazzled!


156 posted on 09/16/2005 10:50:34 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: Petronski
I don't have any problem with the law, if it's enforced reasonably.

Exactly. It is clear what behavior is being targeted. FReeper paranoia that this is going to cause us all to be strip searched cause we're driving home and snow is sticking to the car isn't helpful.

Another factor to consider is those days when it gets sunny and/or above freezing, and the snow packed on a car roof suddenly slides down your windshield when you stop.

SD

157 posted on 09/16/2005 10:58:40 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: rhetorica
...has your windshieled ever been covered by the snow blowing off the vehicle in front of you? Mine has and it is terrifying. You can't see a thing and because of the road conditions you can't slam on your brakes. This is the cause of many accidents.

No, my windshield has never been covered by the snow blowing off the vehicle in front of me. When it's that bad out I drive at controllable speeds and give the vehicles in front of me plenty of room. I'll have to do that until the guv'mint rides to the rescue and mandates the new wiping laws.
158 posted on 09/16/2005 11:14:05 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: timestax

Of course not--- it slipped forward to her front windshield.


159 posted on 09/16/2005 11:15:45 AM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: DCPatriot
I bet you tailgate, don't you?

And I bet you didn't bother to read the rest of the the thread where I already answered your question in a reply to someone else. In case you're too lazy to find it, I'll answer you directly: No, I don't tailgate. It is quite possible for one to be following a vehicle with the requisite space between or more, and be impacted by wintertime debris flying of the front vehicle and striking yours. Obviously this has never happened to you...or you'd have a clue.

160 posted on 09/16/2005 11:16:36 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?)
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