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To: PatrickHenry
"Because all the evidence supports evolution, and none supports creationism/ID, that means an ID vet is involved in some serious reality-denial."

Like I said, I don't have a dog in this fight. But... ALL the evidence? I doubt that.

OK, let's get specific. Michael Behe (the biochemist, not the theologian) wrote, say, 10 years ago, that he fully expected the scientific literature to comprise countless articles on how organelles like flagella could have evolved over time via minute incremental steps, each step being selected as it conferred a benefit to the cell or organism, as postulated by Darwinian models. He found --- zilch. Nobody was even attempting to show how selection pressure would work to develop new structures like cellular organelles.

(I hope I'm not mis-stating his position. I'm not a biochemist and I can only write as a modestly well-read layperson.)

Since you, with your List-O-Links, have apparently specialized in the crevo polemics here --- and I'm a rank newbie --- could you steer me toward the people who do explain the accumulation of minute modifications which would refute Bhe's famous "mousetrap" argument?

I must emphasize my sincerity in this quest. If Behe is wrong, I would love to see somebody take him apart. But as of now, the insinuation that he's in "serious reality denial" looks more like insult than analysis.

184 posted on 09/16/2005 10:25:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (As always, striving for accuracy.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Since you, with your List-O-Links, have apparently specialized in the crevo polemics here --- and I'm a rank newbie --- could you steer me toward the people who do explain the accumulation of minute modifications which would refute Bhe's famous "mousetrap" argument?

We're here to help:

Behe's "irreducible complexity" argument is fatally flawed. Ichneumon's post 35.
Irreducible Complexity Demystified. Major debunking of ID.
The Flagellum Unspun: The Collapse of "Irreducible Complexity," Kenneth R. Miller. Critique of Behe.

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Darwin Central
The conspiracy that cares

185 posted on 09/16/2005 10:34:02 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
If Behe is wrong, I would love to see somebody take him apart.

Then I am here to oblige!

...and oblige again!

195 posted on 09/16/2005 11:07:04 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Since you, with your List-O-Links, have apparently specialized in the crevo polemics here --- and I'm a rank newbie --- could you steer me toward the people who do explain the accumulation of minute modifications which would refute Bhe's famous "mousetrap" argument?

If you want a really detailed takedown of Behe's thesis, get a copy of Miller's "Finding Darwin's God".

244 posted on 09/16/2005 5:24:03 PM PDT by donh
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Here is Behe's response to the critics.
http://www.trueorigins.org/behe08.asp


365 posted on 09/27/2005 4:06:32 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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