University of California system sued over creationism

National Center for Science Education ^ | 08 September 2005 | Staff

[PatrickHenry]

We had a thread on this over two weeks ago, but not much information was then available. It's here:
University of Calif. Sued Over Creationism.
This thread's lead article article has links to more information, including a PDF file with the actual complaint that was filed. It's over 100 pages, including exhibits.

[PatrickHenry]

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[LiteKeeper]

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[LauraleeBraswell]

THANK GOD, (for you).

[gondramB]

What this really comes down to is do you make exceptions to academic standards because of someone's religion.

I can see making exceptions to school rules for religion - letting a Sikh have a beard in high school or letting Jewish students miss class for religious observances.

But not academic standards.

[snarks_when_bored]

If a student doesn't trust a college's faculty to know what merits study and what doesn't, he oughtn't to seek admission there. No one is forced to attend UCLA.

[Borges]

I think the issue is that UCLA is a state school funded by tax dollars.

[snarks_when_bored]

Doesn't matter. The faculty makes judgments on what counts as scholarship, not politicians or courts. Otherwise, higher education is a sham.

[proxy_user]

Everyone knows that is the case.

The purpose of these suits is to annoy and harass liberals. If they are busy defending, they are stopped from attacking.

[Borges]

Oh I agree. Just clarifying where I thought the plaintiffs are coming from.

[PatrickHenry]

[Blush]

[snarks_when_bored]

Oh I agree. Just clarifying where I thought the plaintiffs are coming from.

Right.

So to speak.

[HEY4QDEMS]

Christian schools whose high school coursework is deemed inadequate preparation for college

That should be easy for them to prove.

Is the dropout rate higher among Christian school attendees?

The failure rate?

My daughter went to Catholic school her whole life and was accepted to every college she applied to. She has a 3.5 average right now which I think is pretty good by anyone's standards.

The U-Cal system better prove it or else they should let Christian educated students enroll.

[shuckmaster]

"[t]hese requirements were established after careful study by faculty and staff to ensure that students who come here are fully prepared with broad knowledge and the critical thinking skills necessary to succeed."

I don't have a problem with that.

[curiosity]

The purpose of these suits is to annoy and harass liberals.

Evolution has nothing to do with liberalism, and creationism has nothing to do with conservatism. This is not a left-right issue.

[PatrickHenry]

My daughter went to Catholic school her whole life ...

She probably received a fine education. The schools involved in this litigation use very different science texts, according to the University.

[curiosity]

My daughter went to Catholic school her whole life and was accepted to every college she applied to. She has a 3.5 average right now which I think is pretty good by anyone's standards.

Catholic schools, for the most part, do an excellent job of teaching evolution and biology in general and do not water it down with nonsense like creationism and "intelligent design."

The same cannot be said for schools of a Protestant fundamentalist bent.

[LauraleeBraswell]

Higher education is a sham already. Although this lawsuit is perhaps the most ridiculouse thing I've ever seen AndI'm Embarrassedforthesepeople- Many of the so-called "intellectual Liberals" who teach "Higher Education" are no better a than neo creationists. They both have no grasp on reality.

[HEY4QDEMS]

The same cannot be said for schools of a Protestant fundamentalist bent.

This may well be true, but for the benefit of the doubt I still think the UCal system should provide historic fact to support their position.

Three of the last five national spelling bee champions were home schooled. Wouldn't it be terrible if the organizers decided that home schoolers do not have an adequate study curriculum and are therefore disqualified from competing.

U-Cal is making a claim that any reasonable observer would expect them to back it up.

[NJ_gent]

"The U-Cal system better prove it or else they should let Christian educated students enroll."

They aren't rejecting students based on the school they went to; they're rejecting them based on the textbooks that were used to teach them. If a high school uses textbooks based on the Raelian movement to teach science to its students, it's highly likely that those students lack the requisite knowledge and understanding required to attend college level science courses. Ergo, those students are unfit to enroll at the university.

The university has the right to set the academic standards used to decide who is accepted to the school. If certain high schools are not preparing their students to meet those standards, then it is the fault of those schools; not the standards themselves. We should not lower standards to be all-inclusive. If you can't compete, you don't go to the show.

Lest we forget: it's a liberal mindset that the rules should be changed to fit the individual's desires.