Live Thread: Bush Speech About New Orleans (9 pm EDT)

www.freerepublic.com | September 15 , 2005

[clawrence3]

I agree he had his shortfalls, but if this would have been fine with the Gipper, it's fine by me.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Hey T-M,
Well they best get used to mine. I just like to tell it like it is, on the real deal no thanks to x42 shill.

We can always send the disgruntled a quarter, who then may go call someone who gives a damn.

President Bush needs to be fair but firm on this matter and not require the American taxpayer to bear the burden of his give-away program.

The only thing viable thing I see is, our tax dollars are going to(America) Americans.(Not the Iraqi Muslims)

Some will be grateful while others think we owe it to them.

I does not really matter what we think, they are gonna do it anyway.

If the mayor, governor and "Punchin Landrieu" had used the federal money for what it was appropriated for, NOLA would be in great shape after Katrina.

Oh well, here we go again paying for those Democrat-F'ups. Have you ever noticed how politicians, especially democraps never are responsible for their crimes/screw-ups?

Firm but Fair,
NSNR-FNBL

[clawrence3]

Thanks for the compliment - I appreciate your posts too - the Big Dig was completely different since no natural disaster killing hundreds of Americans created the need for that particular project. And, given the fiasco that turned into - Reagan's veto has been MORE than vindicated. That being said, it will definitely be very hard for the Inspectors General that Bush talked about to keep things going in the right direction. That's why I think the PUBLIC face of this reconstruction should not be Rove, but someone like Gulianni (sp?).

[clawrence3]

I see now - in your post #2776, you meant to say that Reagan was a great conservative but he is "NOT" the definition of conservatism. Kinda changes the meaning there just a little bit, partner ; )

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Hey TOM_888,
Bush Jr, if falling into the lacklustre shell of his father George Sr.

It seems he is helping the voters who hated and voted against him in some areas.

Compassionate Conservatism doe not mean rewarding the lawless and the non taxpayers, to whom the shoe fits.

I am wondering about the good people who voted for President Bush, "is he with us or against us????"

I suggest the President let the Oil Company Corps and CEO's foot this bill, for they sure F'd us at the pumps!!!!!

The Saudis are laughing as they rake in the billions in profits, along with their American counter-part CEO's.

Are republicans morphing into dumocrats?
NSNR-FTA

[mosquitobite]

Love it! :)

[wardaddy]

amen...the Dems do not lack any will to use political power when they have it

and since they assume they are "fighting evil" (us) by their very existence, they don't have to qualify every utterance that approximates an opinion about folks

[kcar]

Even Ronald Reagan had an exception to balancing the budget for such extraordinary circumstances. Maybe your argument is that predominantly black people being impacted does not qualify as an extraordinary circumstance?

This has nothing to do with black people. The question is the proper role of the federal government in dealing with natural disasters. As NO wasn't attacked by an enemy, by rather by weather, many would argue the Federal government should have no role other than using its resources to provide temporary shelter, and search and rescue. Nowhere in the Constitution is the power to rebuild a city (below sea-level, while also eradicating poverty) granted or required, and there has been no precedent.

As one party to that debate (a tax slave), I'd say - and vote - No!

[clawrence3]

What if I could prove to you Ronald W. Reagan would have proposed exactly the same federal government involvement as GWB did last night?

[pollyannaish]

Nope...I don't think I do. Just a case of mistaken identity all the way around I believe.

We had someone show up a few months ago who went out after OhioWfan. In the end, he disappeared. You're style and tone was similar to his and I really jumped the gun. My humblest apologies.

Welcome and best of luck. See you around.

[clawrence3]

There is (at the very least) the power to re-build the roads and post offices (Art. I, Sec. 8, Clause 7). Are you arguing that every OTHER federal expenditure that was wiped out in the Gulf region was un-Constitutional?

[clawrence3]

Also, Clause 17: "To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings" . . .

[kcar]

The Federal government should rebuild what of theirs is necessary to perform their functions. Ditto for the State, City, private citizens and public companies, using whatever resources, insurance, profits or savings, as are necessary, and keeping in mind that they may not want to rebuild there, but somewhere else, given the evident risk. Tax breaks to the victims is also an established option. There is a role also for private charity to help. But it isn't "charity" and isn't "compassionate" taking from one to give to another.

If this precedent stands, exactly what kind of storm should the feds step in to rebuild? Who decides? If a rich family rebuilds in a risky area should we taxpayers pay for it, and how many times? What is the role of personal responsibility when rebuilding in a risky area, if the Feds will bail you out anyway?

[KingKongCobra]

"I have moved President Bush from my list of top 5 presidents to the list of bottom 5 presidents, after he committed so much money to a lost cause."

I noticed he was all broken up about that. Man, how will he ever be able to carry on?

[fishntex]

I think you hit it on the head with that. I found myself waiting for applause several times.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

I would say you have much to prove and I do not.
Just the facts,
NSNR-USMFM

[Flux Capacitor]

In Louisiana, we call going to Texas or Arkansas or Mississippi for the weekend "taking a trip to America."

And I continue to be mystified that people from a thousand miles away could seem to think that people who actually live in this state are just making things up about how truly, horribly, fundamentally screwed up it is, and how the normal rules of politics don't apply. I wouldn't be screaming left and right that KKKathleen Blanco will actually be re-elected in two years if I didn't think I was familiar with this electorate.

----Carpe diem.----

I am. I'm taking my own advice and making plans to get the hell out of here. There's a reason why so many refugees aren't coming back here no matter what happens with New Orleans.

-Dan

[kcar]

Well I agree with him/her. Less than 10 months ago I stood in a very long line for 3.5 hours in hot weather to vote for Bush early. I would have said at that time W might even be better than Reagan. Now he's just a pandering betrayer peddling two-bit socialism and pretending like it's just those personalities of the Rat Party that caused their failure in that Great Society's social experimentation. If only Republican leaders were at the helm - that would have made all of the difference.

Poverty is a choice of default. A certain percentage accept that default by default.

[Flux Capacitor]

I appreciate that, and things may indeed get better for Louisiana within a few decades.

For now, and for the foreseeable future, it's a less desirable place to make a life than ever before. And that's saying something.

Yes, I am depressed. I've fought to make La. better, but the majority of the state's population doesn't want to make things better. And they always win.

-Dan

[eddiemunster]

I think what he was referring too was W grabbing the ankles and bending over on a regular basis for WAAAAAYYYYYY too long to pacify an audience who hates his guts and always will no matter what he does. Bush looks like the kid in class who gets his ass kicked by the tough kids, but will do anything to gain their favor. To paraphrase-"I take full responsibility for New Orleans". WTF?!?!?!