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Saddam Removal: Why the U.S. had no alternative. (do yourself a favor)
The American Spectator / opensourcesinfo.org ^ | Sept. 05 | William Shawcross / R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.

Posted on 09/15/2005 7:46:00 AM PDT by Valin

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1 posted on 09/15/2005 7:46:01 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin

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2 posted on 09/15/2005 7:52:15 AM PDT by tophat9000 (This bulletin just in:"Chinese's Fire Drill's" will now be known as "New Orleans' Hurricane Drill's")
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To: Racehorse

Ping to self.


3 posted on 09/15/2005 7:55:38 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Valin

Bookmark for later reading.


4 posted on 09/15/2005 7:56:53 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Valin

The immoral "containment" of Saddam and Sons, consigned millions to tyranny for over a decade.

And depended entirely on the predictability of a madman and his sons.


5 posted on 09/15/2005 8:03:05 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Valin

I was just a few moments ago thinking about Shawcross, prompted by the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts. After "Sideshow" Shawcross wrote a book called "The Quality of Mercy", which detailed the international relief effort on the Thai Cambodian border, and in Cambodia, following the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in 1979 continuing well into the 1980s. I had occasion to visit both Cambodia and the border area as these efforts were winding down a few times in 1991, and 1992, by which time various NGOs and the UN had developed a semi-permanent infrastructure, so I was quite interested in what had gone on before.

The efforts were a huge mess both which at their best stumbled along in a generally forward direction, but with extreme inefficiency, and lots of graft, corruption, obstinance, venality, naivete, and misunderstanding by a dozen or more interest groups -- including the USA, Thailand, the Khmer Rouge, the Vietnamese, and a host of international relief organizations -- all with different agendas.

Shawcross's book is probably the definitive work on this relief effort,, and does a good job of capturing the chaos and cross-purposes inherent in international relief efforts, or any relief efforts, including the Katrina effort. Much as some would like to think that everyone involved in this sort of effort has the same goals and interests, that is never the case.

My take on Shawcross was similar to that described in the posted article -- a guy who I intially thought was a lefty, who was actually interested in reporting what is going on, in an evenhanded way, without trying to cram it into a leftist view of history.


6 posted on 09/15/2005 8:03:05 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: Valin

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7 posted on 09/15/2005 8:05:24 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: Valin

Bumpitttt.


8 posted on 09/15/2005 8:07:17 AM PDT by Rocko ("The ratio of damn fools to villains is high." -- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

The efforts were a huge mess both which at their best stumbled along in a generally forward direction, but with extreme inefficiency, and lots of graft, corruption, obstinance, venality, naivete, and misunderstanding by a dozen or more interest groups -- including the USA, Thailand, the Khmer Rouge, the Vietnamese, and a host of international relief organizations -- all with different agendas.


I'm SHOCKED!



"a guy who I intially thought was a lefty, who was actually interested in reporting what is going on, in an evenhanded way, without trying to cram it into a leftist view of history."

Radical Concept Alert!

The entire article is in the Sept issue of the American Spectator. Well worth the time and money to buy.


9 posted on 09/15/2005 8:09:31 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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bookmark


10 posted on 09/15/2005 8:16:22 AM PDT by federal
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To: Valin

later


11 posted on 09/15/2005 8:25:07 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Valin
We cut their throats and dedicated them to our brothers the Mujahideen in the Philippines.

That sort of language, which described the killing in terms of a human sacrifice, simply confirms what I've been suspecting. These boys are Satanists. God doesn't want your human sacrifices, boys, but I'm sure they make Satan really happy. (Please note that I'm talking about these fanatic nut jobs, not all Muslims.)

12 posted on 09/15/2005 8:33:01 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

I very much have the impression of David Horowitz, someone who had "second thoughts" about the Left.

I will be investigating Shawcross and reading his work. It sounds well thought out.


13 posted on 09/15/2005 8:34:58 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: roses of sharon
Articles like THis make me so Proud of our President George W. Bush and the US Armed Forces.

Ride on, Mr. President!

14 posted on 09/15/2005 8:35:07 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush)
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To: ExcursionGuy84

I never had a problem with getting rid of saddam in the first place. I never wavered once in my conviction that he needed to be ousted. I refuse to be one of those americans who start to second guess just because its costing alot of money or taking too long.

But I say, be suspicious of all muslims. I have a hard time deciphering between muslims and radical muslims.


15 posted on 09/15/2005 8:51:45 AM PDT by annelizly
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To: annelizly

truely


16 posted on 09/15/2005 8:57:18 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (Putin 2008!!)
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To: annelizly

I have a hard time deciphering between muslims and radical muslims.

Really? (at the risk of sounding like I'm tooting my own horn) I don't really have much of a problem. Granted my opinion of differnt people change over time, but it just takes a little study, reading.


17 posted on 09/15/2005 9:05:23 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin

Even with modest chemical knowledge, low budget for equipment, and fairly common chemicals, I could make certain WMD's in a house basement in enough quantity to kill lots of people. Sarin comes to mind.

I could do the same with bioweapons, though weaponizing them is apparently much harder. WMD does not require 100 acre factory complexes, and the facilities could easily be hidden underground.

Saddam had WMD's. Whether he destroyed them, moved them, or hid them, he had them till a very short time before we came in. He was got rid of them to discredit us and win back the country with an insurgency that he thought would drive us out at the drop of a hat. Unfortunately that strategy didn't work out so well.


18 posted on 09/15/2005 9:15:04 AM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: Valin

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19 posted on 09/15/2005 9:18:45 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Valin

WMD's was always a political excuse, the duplicity of which pales in comparison to the two faced campaign conducted by FDR prior to WWII. It would have been nice to be truthful about our desire to change the world's power balance, but it was an obscure argument and the politicos figured people wouldn't get it.

History exonerated FDR and later will exonerate GWB.


20 posted on 09/15/2005 9:29:26 AM PDT by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. – Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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