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To: Rightwingmom
This is a comment on the subject and is not directed to you rightwingman.

I can not believe just how ignorant some posters on this thread are.

The Consitution of the United States was designed to limit the power of the Federal Government.

It was never designed to limit individuals, local or States (excpect in those rare occassions an issue crossed state lines).

The Consitution prohibits the Federal Government from establishing an official church (such as the Church of England).

You only need to read the founding fathers papers and observed how they acted in public to see that they at no time wished religion be removed from the public square.

And yet here we are after 50 years of attack by the ACLU we are debating if the words "under God", make the pledge of Allegince unconstitutional. BS.

We never should have gotten to this point, the battle is almost lost when you have otherwise sane (and I presume conservative) posters agreeing with this decision.

I guess if this is upheld by the Supremes we deserve the country we get.

41 posted on 09/14/2005 12:41:19 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN
It was never designed to limit individuals, local or States (excpect in those rare occassions an issue crossed state lines).

The BoR does apply to the States as noted in the various Amendments. "Supreme Law of the Land". Just because someone steps onto your property does not make them your slaves. Ect... The basic human Rights protections thus enshrined extend to all US citizens.

However, 1st Amendment states "Congress shall make no law" which explicitly limits Federal action. The operative clauses are freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. Pledging allegiance via somoene elses God isn't an abridgement of this freedom as you can insert your own deities name, or drop the clause from that pledge altogether, however you want to. There is no legal requirement to say "under God" per se. As such, this is not an "establishment" of religion.

California's 9th circuit needs an ass whoopin'. Religion should be inclusive in the "public square", not excluding all religion from public life.

44 posted on 09/14/2005 12:51:27 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Why we allow an organization founded by a true blue Communist to slowly de-construct the pillars this country was built on is just unbelievable!


85 posted on 09/14/2005 2:23:56 PM PDT by american spirit (Can you handle the truth? - www.rbnlive.com ( 4-6 CST M-F)) / click "listen live")
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