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To: r9etb
You have fallen back to a position that leaves mainstream science doing what it does anyway. Every scientist dreams of finding anomalous data that requires a new paradigm.

The difference between science and ID is that science immediately begins searching for a natural explanation.
195 posted on 09/15/2005 4:08:33 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
The difference between science and ID is that science immediately begins searching for a natural explanation.

So human consciousness and morality ‘must be’ due to ‘only’ natural explanations?

The time has come to take seriously the fact that we humans are modified monkeys, not the favored Creation of a Benevolent God on the Sixth Day. In particular, we must recognize our biological past in trying to understand our interactions with others. We must think again especially about our so-called “ethical principles.” The question is not whether biology—specifically, our evolution—is connected with ethics, but how. As evolutionists, we see that no [ethical] justification of the traditional kind is possible. Morality, or more strictly our belief in morality, is merely an adaptation put in place to further our reproductive ends. Hence the basis of ethics does not lie in God’s will.... In an important sense, ethics as we understand it is an illusion fobbed off on us by our genes to get us to cooperate. It is without external grounding. Like Macbeth’s dagger, it serves a powerful purpose without existing in substance.

Ethics is illusory inasmuch as it persuades us that it has an objective reference. This is the crux of the biological position. Once it is grasped, everything falls into place.
Michael Ruse and E. O. Wilson, “The Evolution of Ethics,” in Religion and the Natural Sciences: The Range of Engagement, ed. J. E. Hutchingson (Orlando, Fl.: Harcourt and Brace, 1991).


197 posted on 09/15/2005 4:20:13 PM PDT by Heartlander (Please support colored rubber bracelets and magnetic car ribbons)
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To: js1138
The difference between science and ID is that science immediately begins searching for a natural explanation.

Oh? In that case, it seems that science would in many cases be front-loaded for getting the wrong answer (e.g., if we attempted to use science to explain how some human-caused phenomenon came about).

On the other hand, a scientist who is open to the possibility of ID would have a better chance of finding the right answer (somebody did it).

What you're bringing up is not an issue of scientific methods, but rather scientific assumptions. In this particular example, the scientific assumption you've stated would be wrong.

199 posted on 09/15/2005 4:25:25 PM PDT by r9etb
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