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To: Right Wing Professor; Dr. Eckleburg
... darn it, the man does seem somehow to have gotten the reputation of running a theocratic nightmare state where kids where kids were whipped by the state for sassing their parents, adulterers and blasphemers were executed, and tyrannical moral codes were imposed on the populace. Must be more of that anti-Christian bigotry you've been pointing out to us...

Your moral outrage and indignation is amusing, given your presuppositions. What is the exact foundation for evolutionist blame of Calvin's morals in Geneva? What basis do you have for your implicit complaint that the universe, the world, or some aspect of it is not "fair" or "right"? For how could mindless evolution possibly produce anything 'evil'? or 'wrong'? Are there good atoms and bad atoms? Why would an atheist have any rational basis to expect that an impersonal, blind, purposeless, concatenation of atoms, the universe, should be fair? Why have such expectations when, based on your own presuppositions, your very beliefs and expectations with regard to the universe, including John Calvin's Geneva, are nothing but brute and irresistible physical forces of chance or mechanical necessity?

Given your worldview's assumptions, can you explain how time and chance acting on matter can produce reason and morality? Why do you have language of wrongdoing and of things being evil in themselves in your vocabulary when in your worldview, taken to its logical conclusion, there are no such things?

The reason you can't take your presuppositions seriously is because then your moral assessments would be merely reduced to personal preference, nothing more than expression of whatever feels good or bad to you, devoid of ethical content. You can't rationally engage in praise and blame of people unless you have a standard that stands outside of everyone, including John Calvin, and including you, and me, that says for instance that we ought not punish the innocent and let the guilty go free. Mindless Evolution provides no such consistent and coherent standard. It precludes the kind of moral indignation against John Calvin that you wish to engage in. You really have to borrow from Biblical theology to do that.

Cordially,

942 posted on 09/15/2005 10:43:59 AM PDT by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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To: Diamond

Give it a rest. You attempt to assert that your own little sect is the monopoly purveyor of ethics to the entire world has been shot down a hundred times, and isn't improved by repetition.


945 posted on 09/15/2005 10:46:27 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Diamond

And by the way, telling someone they are incapable of moral judgments is anything but cordial. Lose the hypocrisy.


946 posted on 09/15/2005 10:48:08 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Diamond
...can you explain how time and chance acting on matter can produce reason and morality?

I've never heard an answer from the evos to your question. If you ever get one, please ping me.

951 posted on 09/15/2005 11:04:26 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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