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To: dmz
If not of the material world, doesn't ID end up in the same pickle as evolution - more properly abiogenesis - (how does something come from nothing), and if of the material world, why are we not able to study the designer, but only the design?

Bingo! ID doesn't go anywhere as 'science.' It is just trying to sneak religion past the Constitution and into the classroom

91 posted on 09/13/2005 6:33:15 AM PDT by SeaLion (I wanted to be an orphan, but my parents wouldn't let me)
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To: PatrickHenry; highball; SeaLion; ImaGraftedBranch
ID is not a new idea. It's an old, tired one that has long outlived its usefulness.

Not 'new', maybe. However, our understanding of the microscopic world has improved greatly since the years of Darwin. As ImaGraftedBranch pointed out, people back then knew NOTHING about the inner workings of a cell (the energy efficiency of the cell, for instance, is much greater than that of a car, a product of human design).

Darwin openly admitted that his theory of evolution seemed 'foolhardy' when he used the human eye as an example: an extremely complex optical device. He would probably call his own theory (which many people seem to have forgotten: evolution is a THEORY) utter foolishness if he saw how infinitely more complex DNA was.

Bingo! ID doesn't go anywhere as 'science.' It is just trying to sneak religion past the Constitution and into the classroom Technically, seeing as how evolution (and I'm talking about macro-evolution; not micro-evolution, which has and IS proven to occur, such as the breeding of a pitbull and a Doberman Pinscher to form a Rottweiler) is a theory (not fact), one could say it has the same amount of validity as ID. Especially considering that, as evolution purportedly takes place over many, many, many years, it can't be analyzed (and thus it can't be proven). The theory of evolution has had so many different parts thrown into it that it's split off into several different demoninations of the theory (such as neo-Darwinism and punctuated equilibrium) in order to try and explain how such an incredibly complex human body could have happened by 'chance'. However, in doing so, the evolutionists have only sowed discord among themselves.

The Theory (can't say that enough) of Evolution would have to show something extraordinary if a species (like a fish) 'evolves' into a dinosaur, then into a bird. Organisms have set limit in their genetic code as to how far they can change. For macro-evolution to exist, new genes and alleles would have to be added to the creature's genetic code. Of course, that is clearly impossible (very little data supporting this hypothesis, and a lot of data contradicting it).

Let me put a simpler way; saying that the human body got to where it was today by chance is akin to breaking an airplane apart, putting the parts into a box, shaking the box, and hoping the airplane will come back together.

Another argument for evolution would be the fossil record (ie the evolution of the horse, from Eohippus to Equus). Problem is, bones for these 'devolved' horses are scattered across several different continents, not all together in one specific region of the world. Also, fossils of Eohippus have been found as close to the earth's surface as Equus fossils. This goes against the idea of the geological column, where the lower you go, the simpler the organisms' fossils are.

One last thing; did you know that the cyctochrome C sequences (cytochrome C is a protein involved in cellular metabolism, FYI, and is present in most organisms) in bacterium are more closely related to us than those of a Rhesus monkey (bacterium: 65%; Rhesus monkey: 1%)?

Ta ta.

132 posted on 09/13/2005 7:27:20 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (We DARE Defend Our Rights [Alabama State Motto])
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