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To: Alter Kaker
No it doesn't. Evolution says that all species share a common descent and provides an explanation. It doesn't say where the first life came from.

Yes it does!

And what, would you mind telling me, is the “common descent”.

Now as for “It doesn't say where the first life came from” Let’s take a look at that for a moment, a “common decent”, but no explanation for where the “common decent” came from.

And you call that science?

I believe that “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and all things in them and on them. Evolutionist believe that in the beginning a big bang of nothing took place and all life came from that big bank of absolutely nothing.

Evolution is a religion that takes more faith to believe than Christianity. We have Christ the Creator, the evolutionist has a big bang of nothing creator.

Oh by the way, I do believe in a big bang, just not the same as your big bang, wanna hear about the big bank I believe in?

Now tread carefully, for I may just ask you to define evolution, all six definitions would be required.

Ever heard the ole saying “Know thy enemy”? Well, first you need to know what you believe in, that would include all six definitions of evolution, and then you need to study the Bible to know what I believe in.

For trust me on this, when it comes to Creation by God vs evolution we are at war.

43 posted on 09/13/2005 5:20:46 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: newsgatherer
Yes it does!

I'm afraid you're wrong, it doesn't. I'm not sure how else to respond -- you're telling me I and other scientists believe something we don't.

And what, would you mind telling me, is the “common descent”.

Species share common ancestors. This has been proven morphologically, genetically, behaviorially and probably other ways that I just haven't heard of.

Let’s take a look at that for a moment, a “common decent”, but no explanation for where the “common decent” came from.

Common descent is different from common decency, but no, we don't know where the first life form came from.

And you call that science?

I do indeed. We don't know the answer and we admit we don't know. That's different from the dogmatic zealots who don't know but insist that they do. I for my own part believe that God created life.

Evolutionist believe that in the beginning a big bang of nothing took place

I think you're mixing up evolutionists with cosmologists. I don't think you'll find too many evolutionary biologists studying background radiation.

For trust me on this, when it comes to Creation by God vs evolution we are at war.

Well, I hope your arm chair has a kevlar backing, because I hear the biologists might be planning a winter offensive in your region.

52 posted on 09/13/2005 5:35:40 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: newsgatherer
Ever heard the ole saying “Know thy enemy”? Well, first you need to know what you believe in, that would include all six definitions of evolution, and then you need to study the Bible to know what I believe in.

That all? Piece of cake. I already know who you got the "six definitions of evolution" riff reom.

58 posted on 09/13/2005 5:45:42 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Seriousness lends force to bad arguments. - P J O'Rourke)
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To: newsgatherer
when it comes to Creation by God vs evolution we are at war

Please, do we really have to be? We'd probably agree about so many other things--why can't we agree that religion is fine in the Church (or Synagogue or whatever your faith is), but wildly out of place in the science classroom?

I just don't see that science has gone out picking a fight with religion--though I see plenty of religious leaders (such as the Taliban) suppressing science because some religious leaders want absolute power. But this is America, right?

I enjoy the debate, happy to listen to your arguments with all due respect, and ask the simple right to reply: that isn't war, it's discussion. It's healthy, democratic, and one of the delights of freedom under our constitution.

Even an evolutionist like myself can still believe in Matthew 5:9

65 posted on 09/13/2005 6:00:17 AM PDT by SeaLion (I wanted to be an orphan, but my parents wouldn't let me)
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To: newsgatherer
"Yes it does!

Neither strict Darwinism nor Neo-Darwinism (the current synthesis) have the start of the universe or abiogenesis as part of the science.

"And what, would you mind telling me, is the “common descent”.

You and Pan paniscus share a common ancestor. That common ancestor shares a common ancestor with Gorilla gorilla. Nowhere in this sequence is knowledge of the origin of life necessary.

"Now as for “It doesn't say where the first life came from” Let’s take a look at that for a moment, a “common decent”, but no explanation for where the “common decent” came from.

Once you get to the very first organisms, you have left the realm of evolution.

"And you call that science?

Yes. I also call Cosmology, Physics (including quantum mechanics), Astronomy, Geology, Biology, Geophysics and others that contribute to the ToE, science.

"I believe that “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and all things in them and on them. Evolutionist believe that in the beginning a big bang of nothing took place and all life came from that big bank of absolutely nothing.

Many 'evolutionists' believe a God created the universe.

"Evolution is a religion that takes more faith to believe than Christianity. We have Christ the Creator, the evolutionist has a big bang of nothing creator.

You also have a God created out of nothing. Evolution is either: a fact - as shown by the change in allele frequencies in extant organisms, or - a theory - where science attempts to explain how the fact comes about.

"Oh by the way, I do believe in a big bang, just not the same as your big bang, wanna hear about the big bank I believe in?

Not really.

"Now tread carefully, for I may just ask you to define evolution, all six definitions would be required.

Do you equivocate out of habit or intent? The 'evolution' of stars has nothing to do with the origin of species.

"Ever heard the ole saying “Know thy enemy”? Well, first you need to know what you believe in, that would include all six definitions of evolution, and then you need to study the Bible to know what I believe in.

What six definitions might those be?

"For trust me on this, when it comes to Creation by God vs evolution we are at war.

Okaaayyy.

419 posted on 09/13/2005 1:49:38 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: newsgatherer

"For trust me on this, when it comes to Creation by God vs evolution we are at war."


Sadly, 'tis a war that's already been lost before the first shot has been fired, since scientific truth and fact don't rely on one's belief and acceptance of them.

Biblical Creation is a nice story for small children, but it's not science, nor is it provable, nor is it observable.

Sorry.


1,197 posted on 09/15/2005 7:26:45 PM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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