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To: Paloma_55
atlaw; SeaLion; newsgatherer " Either morality comes from God, or it is a human construct. If it is God-given, we have no authority to change it. If it is human-given, it is subject to change without notice. Ask Adolph Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, or Pol Pot. "

Or morality is a product of an objective universe. It’s derived from observation and reason of our environment, guiding us as to how to best promote our lives according to our nature/abilities. We can’t successfully will morality to "change without notice" if the principles are incompatible with the world.

Like you say, just “Ask Adolph Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, or Pol Pot.” In general, they tried to impose moral systems that prohibited our freedom to pursue our rational self interest and succeed. That’s without precedent in nature, can’t work. So they failed.

139 posted on 09/13/2005 7:34:48 AM PDT by elfman2 (2 tacos short of a combination plate)
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To: elfman2

--- Like you say, just “Ask Adolph Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, or Pol Pot.” In general, they tried to impose moral systems that prohibited our freedom to pursue our rational self interest and succeed. That’s without precedent in nature, can’t work. So they failed. ---

I disagree with you.

The concept of a totalitarian organization of beings is not without precedent. Take the honey bee for example.

It didn't work because human beings are not honey bees. God created us with free will. It is that free will that defies such organizational structures and leads to failure of such systems.

I realize that we can both rationalize whatever answer we want. God will sort it out for us though. :)


161 posted on 09/13/2005 7:52:09 AM PDT by Paloma_55
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