Posted on 09/12/2005 9:37:18 PM PDT by Piranha
I didn't need any reinforcement for that "narrative." The fact that they are barbanians was proven beyond doubt 20 years ago when the thru an old man in a wheelchair over the side of a ship.
The "yeah, right" was in response to this: However, prominent rabbis argued that Jews can't destroy synagogues, and Ariel Sharon "was left with two bad choices: tearing them down, or leaving them standing with the knowledge that they might be desecrated."
Showing that he didn't buy the idea that Sharon wasn't happy with the choices. I still contend that he's a typical brainwashed Arab, but one with a sense of shame for the way his own people act.
What do you mean, a synagogue for a mosque. Your word order suggests that Israel has been destroying mosques?
If that is what you intended, would you mind providing support for this proposition?
It is not a tempest in a teapot, E Rocc. It is the irrefutable unmasking of anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism.
Even Ray Hanania, the Palestinian Arab-American journalist and stand-up comedian, who writes a column in the Israeli newspaper Yediot Achronot wrote that he is ashamed of this anti-Semitism. See his article, "No better than Israel: Who said Palestinians don't hate Jews?" at http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3141173,00.html.
You can be an apologist for brazen anti-Semitism if you want to, E Rocc, but the sophisticated internationalist disguise that has covered up its core finally has begun to rot off with these venal acts.
"Jihadnick"? I love that word. Send it to Juan Cole.
But they looted the greenhouses, which were deliberately left to help them build a viable economy.
Why can't you stop making excuses for the inexcusable?
"Palestinian Muslims are barbarians... The wholesale destruction of the Jewish synagogues is yet another indication that Palestinians of all stripes, whether Fatah secularists or Islamic Hamas types, do not have the political maturity to construct a civil society. However, it is also a sign that Muslims in America lack the conviction of their religion to condemn sacrilege when it is committed by Muslims against others."
That's the core idea in the op-ed, after the gratuitous and irrational digs at Israel are edited out.
But they looted the greenhouses, which were deliberately left to help them build a viable economy.They were purchased for them. That's a different matter. Do you really think the PA government is happy about that? If anything, that proves the government (which needs to step up and become a for-real government, BTW) was not behind the mob's burning of the synagogues.
Even though they intended to tear them down...as the Israeli government well knew.
-Eric
In fact, they took it a bit further than their Christian counterparts - idolatry is so prohibited by Moslem law that they do not permit human images in their art lest it fall into idolatry.I think you're mistaken here, and that prohibition only applies to depiction of Mohammed. Perhaps there are Islamic fringes that apply this rule, but I think we all know that Christianity also has fringes who apply much harsher rules than the mainstream. The Amish come to mind.
I did find this Islamic art page that contradicts the idea that human images cannot be used.
-Eric
Of course the PA government was happy about that. Why do you think Abbas was standing there watching with a big grin on his face?
Abbas has said that not only will he not disarm Hamas, but that he welcomes them into the government with open (and fully loaded) arms.
I would argue that there never was any real decency in Islam..
They did go through a period of let's say, enlightenment, where advancement of science and culture was encouraged, and there was even religious discourse concerning the meaning and direction of Islam, but even then one was taking their life in their own hands...
Islam has always been an extremely harsh religion to anyone other than muslims, and often even to believers.
I do agree that there are muslim "moderates" that would like to say something, take the religion and culture in a more modern direction, etc..
However, like you say, they are afraid to speak out.. such criticism invites death..
Even Islam itself has succumbed to the threat of terrorism.. It now controls the entire religion..
What I originally wanted to say was, there is a lack of central authority in Islam today..
Before, there was the Ottoman Empire..
I think that had a lot to do with what advanced outlooks the Muslims had in the earlier centuries..
One can almost see the descent of Islam coincide with the decline of the Ottomans..
Do you really think the PA government is happy about that? If anything, that proves the government (which needs to step up and become a for-real government, BTW) was not behind the mob's burning of the synagogues.That's not what AP's reporting:Of course the PA government was happy about that. Why do you think Abbas was standing there watching with a big grin on his face?
Looters strip Gaza greenhouses
Facilities seen as key to Palestinians’ rebuilding of area vacated by Israelis
Updated: 10:25 p.m. ET Sept. 13, 2005
NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip - Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.
American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash.
Palestinian police stood by helplessly Tuesday as looters carted off materials from greenhouses in several settlements, and commanders complained they did not have enough manpower to protect the prized assets. In some instances, there was no security and in others, police even joined the looters, witnesses said.
“We need at least another 70 soldiers. This is just a joke,” said Taysir Haddad, one of 22 security guards assigned to Neve Dekalim, formerly the largest Jewish settlement in Gaza. “We’ve tried to stop as many people as we can, but they’re like locusts.”
The failure of the security forces to prevent scavenging and looting in the settlements after Israel’s troop pullout Monday raised new concerns about Gaza’s future.
‘We are not going to tolerate chaos’
Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas told his people in a televised speech Tuesday that he would take immediate steps to impose order. “We have one law for everyone and no one is above the law. We are not going to tolerate chaos after today,” he said. The Palestinian leader is under intense pressure from his people and the international community to stop the growing lawlessness in Gaza, where rival militant groups are jockeying for power. As Abbas spoke, hundreds of masked Hamas gunmen wielding rifles and grenade launchers paraded through the streets of a nearby refugee camp.
The greenhouses are a centerpiece of Palestinian plans for rebuilding Gaza after 38 years of Israeli occupation. The Palestinian Authority hopes the high-tech greenhouses left by the Israelis will provide jobs and export income for Gaza’s shattered economy.
During a tour of Neve Dekalim, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia implored Palestinians to leave the structures intact. “These greenhouses are for the Palestinian people,” he said. “We don’t want anyone to touch or harm anything that can be useful for our people.”
It's definitely time for the Palestinians to start acting like a grown up government. They need to establish order. If Bush sent advisers to help them out (since the Israeli government has said they will not), would you oppose that?
-Eric
That was a show for the media and dupes like you. Has he taken any "immediate steps" other than calling a press conference? No.
If Bush sent advisers to help them out (since the Israeli government has said they will not), would you oppose that?
That's how the U.S. started out in Vietnam, sending advisers. Is that what you want?
That was a show for the media and dupes like you. Has he taken any "immediate steps" other than calling a press conference? No.In 24 hours, how do you know for sure what steps have been taken? We wouldn't accept that sort of criticism of President Bush, so why apply it to Abbas? We agree that actions will tell, but its too early for conclusions.
If Bush sent advisers to help them out (since the Israeli government has said they will not), would you oppose that?It's also what we're doing in Iraq. Everyone who posts here and has been there says its working. Why wouldn't it work in Gaza?That's how the U.S. started out in Vietnam, sending advisers. Is that what you want?
-Eric
Abbas has been in power for a year. He has done NOTHING except whine, make excuses, and ask for handouts. What makes you think he will do anything different, now that Gaza is falling down around his ankles? Abbas makes Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco look like paragons of efficiency.
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