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Researchers Discover Key To Human Embryonic Stem-cell Potential
ScienceDaily | Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research ^ | 2005-09-11

Posted on 09/12/2005 2:15:26 PM PDT by sourcery

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This Venn diagram represents how stem-cell master regulators Oct4, Nanog, and Sox2 work together in regulating the genome. It shows the number of genes that they interact with individually, in pairs, or as a triad. (Image courtesy of Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research)

1 posted on 09/12/2005 2:15:29 PM PDT by sourcery
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To: SunkenCiv; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ping


3 posted on 09/12/2005 2:17:27 PM PDT by sourcery ("Compelling State Interest" is the refuge of judicial activist traitors against the Constitution)
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To: Grengo en el Sol

Excellently designed mechanism.


4 posted on 09/12/2005 2:19:11 PM PDT by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: Grengo en el Sol
Can't wait to hear what "evangelicals" and "creationists" have to say about this.

"This" is completely irrelevant to the crevo debate one way or the other.

5 posted on 09/12/2005 2:20:35 PM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Grengo en el Sol
Your wait is over. Creating human life and then destroying it so you can live a few years longer is utilitarian garbage.

How'd I do?

6 posted on 09/12/2005 2:20:54 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Grengo en el Sol
I think they'll say is, the more we learn about this science, the more it looks like the destruction of human like is unnecessary to the advancement of understanding.
7 posted on 09/12/2005 2:23:44 PM PDT by TruthFactor
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To: PatrickHenry

very exciting news ping.


8 posted on 09/12/2005 2:27:43 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: sourcery

Hmm foundational research.

So far, the cry to have the government fund ESC research is as if there was a cry to create delicious sandwiches using only subatomic particles: Far more complicated than it has to be, especially with usable intermediates reaping results.


9 posted on 09/12/2005 2:28:30 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Grengo en el Sol
How about this ~ it's still "junk science". The problem with you using someone else's cells in your body is they will be identified as "foreign" and your immune system will devour them like so many pieces of meat.

This can be overcome through the use of powerful drugs that disable your immune system, but they leave you vulnerable to all sorts of diseases the rest of your life.

Embryonic stem cells necessarily come from "somebody else" even if you don't think they are a "somebody"!

Where they have been used, the recipients developed cancer.

The best bet appears to be the development of a technology that extracts your OWN stem cells (of whatever type), grows them in vast numbers, and then reinjects them. This way your immune system is tricked into not eating them!

BTW, the initial idea behind using embryonic stem cells was they had apparantly not developed to the extent that they would be incompatible with someone else's cells. Of course, that was garbage. They are identified.

10 posted on 09/12/2005 2:30:38 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: sourcery
But in order to guide them out of pluripotency with efficiency, we need to know what keeps them there to begin with.

Do I understand this correctly?

... we need to experiment with pluripotent cells
in order to understand them enough
in order to to make them into cells
that aren't pluripotent.

11 posted on 09/12/2005 2:32:56 PM PDT by syriacus (Ebbert, NOLA DHS, said at 1st - the water is rising slowly + the levee will be fixed in hours.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
very exciting news ping.

Agreed. Stem-cell research isn't exactly right for the evolution ping list, and I really wish someone would start up a list devoted to this kind of article. Still, considering how much anti-science posting we get in the evolution threads, this is worth cranking up the ping machine ...

12 posted on 09/12/2005 2:35:13 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 300 names.
See the list's explanation at my freeper homepage.
Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

13 posted on 09/12/2005 2:35:35 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
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To: Grengo en el Sol

To be clear though, I have nothing against and in fact am all for research using CBE's harvested from cord blood. To that I am willing to contribute tax money, to creating embryos to harvest stem cells I am willing to contribute nothing.


14 posted on 09/12/2005 2:35:58 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Ingtar

I know what the atheists will say, "This was completely an accident involving amino acids in a puddle that got caught in the lightning storm one day and were zapped. The rest is history, and the human wrist and human foot are the marvels of biological engineering they are today."

In other words,

"What a happy accident."


15 posted on 09/12/2005 2:39:08 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
Exactly.

Obviously a noodly appendage is at work.

16 posted on 09/12/2005 2:43:29 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Still, considering how much anti-science posting we get in the evolution threads

And with that, cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. Right.

17 posted on 09/12/2005 2:45:00 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer
Stem-cell research isn't exactly right for the evolution ping list, and I really wish someone would start up a list devoted to this kind of article.

I wouldn't mind maintaining such a list, but how would it be described? The wave-of-the-future ping? I mean, what exactly are the parameters you'd have in mind?

18 posted on 09/12/2005 2:47:35 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: PatrickHenry
considering how much anti-science posting we get in the evolution threads, this is worth cranking up the ping machine

Agreed--thanks for ping.

For what it's worth: the source for stem-cells in research is one (contentious) issue, but the science of understanding the structure and behaviour of stem cells should n't push anyone's buttons, it is wonderous and beautiful. I keep a healthy handful of salt at the ready when it comes to some of the claims for potential therapies that might be enabled--jury's out, but let's let them deliberate

19 posted on 09/12/2005 2:49:31 PM PDT by SeaLion (I wanted to be an orphan, but my parents wouldn't let me)
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To: Grengo en el Sol
I on the "other hand" couldn't wait for somebody to disparage Christians. You get a cookie for getting it in before it was even possible to read the article, improper usage of quotation marks, and somehow being ignorant enough to somehow include evangelicalism with creationism.

How about you ask the director of one of the institutes which funded this research his opinion?

Francis S. Collins has been the director of the National Institutes of Health's National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI) since 1993. Before that, he was a research geneticist at the University of Michigan, where he and his colleagues were the first to clone the gene for cystic fibrosis. A practicing Christian, Collins is particularly interested in the ethical implications of human genetics research.

20 posted on 09/12/2005 2:57:38 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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