Ore. Bicyclist Charged With Manslaughter

breitbart.com ^ | 9/12/05

[tuffydoodle]

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Weren't we just talking about this subject recently?

[HairOfTheDog]

If we were, I don't recall!

[tuffydoodle]

About avoiding bikers? Thought I was talking to you guys about it. Anyway, the horse story is interesting but I question it's validity. Must have been a heck of a quiet horse to not spook at things being knocked over on the sidewalk, not to mention screaming people.

[HairOfTheDog]

Horse story? Tuffy, me not able to follow you ;~D

[tuffydoodle]

Start at post number 98 and follow it down...

[tuffydoodle]

Check post 104.

[FreedomCalls]

That was my thought. What is an "unmarked" crosswalk? Is that another name for an intersection with no crossings?

That's correct. It's an intersection where there are not any zebra stripes painted for the crosswalk. It's still a legitimate crosswalk, unlike just crossing anywhere else which is jaywalking.

Unmarked crosswalk on the left, clearly marked crosswalk on the right.

This is considered a marked crosswalk in some jurisdictions since it has lines. It doesn't have a "walk" signal though which makes a difference in some places. In other places this is considered "unmarked" because it lacks the zebra stripes. It depends on your local laws.

[tuffydoodle]

and 120.

[HairOfTheDog]

3. Likewise, the cops need to nail the motorists who do stupid sh*t to cyclists. Tops on the list are motorists who barely miss me as they pass me on the road. Second are those who almost cause a head-on collision as they try to pass me cause they're too impatient. Third are the impatient types who pass me (on my left) right before an intersection, only to do a right-hand turn in front of me yards later.

Excuse me, but I DO have to take issue with this. (And tuffy, I do now remember the conversation we had about bikes)

If you are riding down the middle of the lane on a two lane road, it is YOU who are causing the hazard, and not the cars that must pass you. I have repeatedly been put in at least annoying, and sometimes dangerous situations by bicyclists who will continue to ride down the middle of the lane when there is interfering traffic in both directions.

I UNDERSTAND that the smooth part of the road that is worn by car tires is more comfortable for you. But you have to understand that that smooth path is for CARS, not you.

When I am merely driving my truck, I am a lot more sympathetic to you, and also a lot more able to go around you. My biggest beef happens when I am pulling a horse trailer that is wider than my truck, which I do a couple times a week, and a bicycle who darn well knows I am coming, or ~should~ know, does not move over to the side and give me some room. When I am pulling horses, I can neither brake quickly (without smashing my horses faces into the wall) nor can I accelerate quickly to pass you. YOU are the most maneuverable craft, and you should move over when you are the conflict, not expect others to wait for a break to pass you.

Now that you know what we are up against to tolerate you, I hope you'll move over and give ~US~ a break, and I'll be happy to give you as much space as I can.

[Thinkin' Gal]

What is an "unmarked" crosswalk? Is that another name for an intersection with no crossings?

Or a crossing with no intersection? Okay, there was a stop sign so I'm assuming that your interpretation is the correct one, but I've never "seen" an unmarked crosswalk, so it could be possible that...

Unmarked crosswalk is to jaywalker as undocumented entry is to illegal alien.

Never mind the stop sign, why did this guy smack into a pedestrian? I mean, it's not like there's going to be a stop sign in front of every potential obstacle.

There's got to be an SUV or a cellphone angle to this somewhere.

[TWohlford]

"1. The law states that 2-wide is legal. It's this way in all 50 states. Really? Because if bicycles are "vehicles" most jurisdictions do not allow two vehicles to share a lane."


>>> Wrong. Motorcyclists come to mind. The law (UVC) specifically says that bicycles get 2 abreast. If you'd like I'll point you to the code.


"2. It doesn't matter how many wide. In an 11' wide lane, a single bike will take up 5-6' by the time you allow for a safe passing distance. That means, unless your vehicle is only 5' wide, you're gonna have to slow down, wait for traffic to clear, and make a safe pass. In other words, 1, 2, or 10 wide, you're gonna have to wait for oncoming traffic to clear. OK, now you're just being silly. If I'm on a two-lane road with 11-foot lanes and there's one bicycle on the side I can ease over the centreline a bit and still leave enough room for an oncoming car to get by in a pinch. If they're taking up the whole damned lane then I have to use the entire opposing lane. Which might not be practical on some roads. You expect that car drivers should stay behind a group of slow moving bicycles for miles until a good passing zone presents itself, if one exists?"



>>> Wrong again. If you're gonna go over the center line then you must wait until traffic clears, then make a safe pass. BTW, a safe pass is normally considered to be 3', since that means that a sudden movement of the cyclist's arm won't catch your vehicle. If I ride 3' from the white line, and my arm then starts at 4' from that white line, then my finger tips are roughly 7' from that white line. That give you you absolutely NO ROOM to sneak by.

sorry dude... you really do need to review the laws as they apply to cyclists.

[HairOfTheDog]

AH - there was a horse DUI thread a few weeks back... a guy arrested for riding his horse drunk, but I think the knocking people and things over part is embellishment. I don't remember that in the thread.

[HairOfTheDog]

See my 129 - I do now remember the conversation we had, and didn't realize the direction the thread had headed.

[garyhope]

With me it would be more like wine and cheese rage and falling off my bike rage.

[festus]

huh?

To put that another way : "...crossed the street at an undocumented crosswalk..."

Does that help any ? ;-)

[Paulus]

You know if you substitue a few words this sounds exactly like the gay mantra.

[ozzymandus]

So, judging by your posts, you hate yourself?

[Bernard Marx]

the gay mantra

You seem to be the expert.

[bikepacker67]

This guy is a moron.

If the roads are that narrow and filled with blindspots, then maybe the SOB should SLOW THE F DOWN?

[bikepacker67]

agree and I think I am going to get one of those bells on my mountain bike.

What you need is one of these.

Scares the chit outta inconsiderate cagers.