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1 posted on 09/12/2005 12:10:19 AM PDT by spycatcher
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According to this site, the latitude/longitude coordinates of Mecca are 21.4234, 39.8262 and the coordinates of the Flight 93 crash site are 40.052, -78.8963. Using the calculator from this site, I determined that the azimuth between the two points is 124.80°.

I entered the above coordinates into a amateur radio antenna beam heading page, and it says that Mecca itself is 74 degrees azimuth from the crash site, not 124.8.

43 posted on 09/12/2005 1:17:27 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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Our friends at LGF have been covering this:



http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17441_Flight_93_Outrage&only

The comments ( notice- some X-rated ) are illuminating:

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...I especially like the one who wanted to fix it with some "midnight landscaping..."


44 posted on 09/12/2005 1:18:33 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Cold Warrior, draggin' his BAR into the Sunset...)
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Oh hell........just engrave "Allah Be Praised" on it and get it over with.


78 posted on 09/12/2005 3:12:00 AM PDT by RightOnline
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(this thread's got the old-timers comin' outta the woodwork)

 

92 posted on 09/12/2005 3:58:38 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
PING...
102 posted on 09/12/2005 4:48:28 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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If this is supposed to face Mecca, then I'd say the designer goofed by confusing the crescent's rear with its face. The 'qibla' is the line pointing along the shortest distance to Mecca, not the other way around the world, and off the top of my head I don't see a rationale for why an arc would ever be considered to 'point' in any direction except for its opening. Then you look at the fact that people will be entering from the outside of the arc, driving its outer edge, and looking toward its interior... they'll generally have their backs toward the east and 55-degrees.

I'm not sure visitors will sense any of the crescent-ness of this, much less its orientation if it is sufficiently large. Already the endpoints are somewhat ambiguious on the plan view. In the grand scheme of things I'm much more concerned about the WTC memorial than a monumental inkblot test.


103 posted on 09/12/2005 4:53:21 AM PDT by non-anonymous
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Early in my video production career I sold an ad concept to a Japanese heavy industrial corporation. The ad started with a shot of a sunrise. Reason: In Japanes culture, the rising sun is a symbol of good fortune.

Even the accidental use of the crescent should not be ignored, any more than the accidental use of a cross to mark the impact site would be ignored by the liberals. The judges who selected this plan are at best completely ignorant, and at worst insulting our entire nation and especially the memory of those who died fighting an extremist cult dedicated to that symbol.

I've heard that family members have approved the design. I can't understand that. I just can't.


107 posted on 09/12/2005 4:57:51 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (My tagline has been looted.)
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Having been to Shanksville, I think the design is more innocent than what the designer is being accused of.

It points east, because the the long trough of the plane's impact points east.

Furthermore, if you are going to encompass the wreakage, than you are going to have to create an arc. Looking at overhead shots, again of the debris field, only an arc/crescent does it justice.

112 posted on 09/12/2005 5:04:35 AM PDT by carton253 (It's better to have a gun and not need it than not have a gun and need it.)
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ping


119 posted on 09/12/2005 5:21:24 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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fyi ping


121 posted on 09/12/2005 5:21:58 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I like the idea of appropriating a Muslim symbol to memorialize our first victory in this war. While it could be a tribute to Muslims, I think it could just as easily be a jab. Just a matter of perspective, I suppose.


126 posted on 09/12/2005 5:31:27 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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This looks like an urban legend in the making. Someone sees something that's not there, puts it on the internet and an urban legend is born.


127 posted on 09/12/2005 5:36:38 AM PDT by DaGman
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as you are awake and pinging...


131 posted on 09/12/2005 5:40:48 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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Next I went to the Flight 93 National Memorial website and found the biggest overhead view of the memorial I could find with north oriented up.

Where did you find overhead images on their website? I haven't been able to find any. Nor could someone else on another thread.

133 posted on 09/12/2005 5:46:11 AM PDT by ordinaryguy
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THERE IS NO MISTAKE.

THIS IS 100% INTENTIONAL

THIS IS 100% AN EFFORT TO SPIT AT THE USA.

EVERY SINGLE BOARD MEMBER SHOULD BE REMOVED FOR ACCEPTING THIS AS THE FINAL PLAN.

THERE IS NO ACCIDENT HERE. DO NOT LET ANYONE SAY THIS IS UNINTENTIONAL. THIS DOES NOT PASS THE "DUCK TEST".

this has me very angry.


136 posted on 09/12/2005 5:51:27 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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The moon in the memorial is all about the Shriners not Islam.


152 posted on 09/12/2005 7:38:31 AM PDT by floridarocks
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This has to be the most insulting thing the designer could think up.

Do they have islam-apologists working on this memorial?

Why is it that this, and the PC-memorial at the WTC, have to be tainted like this?

This cannot be allowed.


171 posted on 09/12/2005 9:20:19 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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Look at it as identifying and pointing to the perpetrator of this outrage against humanity.


181 posted on 09/12/2005 11:35:37 AM PDT by DManA
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The design must be approved by the Director of the National Park Service, and The Secretary of the Interior.
Here are their addresses (snail mail always carries more weight than e-mail or phone calls)

Fran Mainella, Director
National Park Service
1849 C Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20240-0001

Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton
1849 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20240
Gale_Norton@ios.doi.gov


185 posted on 09/12/2005 11:48:49 AM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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I know all too well how architects think. It's no coincidence. Monkeys will write King Lear on a typewriter before that design happens as a coincidence.


193 posted on 09/12/2005 12:10:07 PM PDT by Graymatter
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