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Father and daughter's hike ended suddenly by grizzly
Seattle Post-intelligencer via HoustonChronicle.com ^ | Sept. 10, 2005 | CAROL SMITH

Posted on 09/11/2005 4:46:29 PM PDT by Archidamus

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To: RFEngineer

No, so you can defend yourself. Not so the feds can employ more losers to man metal detectors.


61 posted on 09/11/2005 5:23:58 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2

"So, what do you think? Should people be allowed to carry weapons in national parks? Would a pistol have been enough to at least scare a grizzly away?"

I have a mixed opinion about this sort of thing. I feel that America needs and should retain a healthy balance of natural wild life preserves and sanctuaries "away" from large populations of people. And people who choose to venture into wild animal territories for fun and sport should stop being so ignorant and lazy about possible encounters with wild animals. I would bring a gun/rifle into the outbacks of Canada and like places in America and probably bring a gun into American camp areas to protect myself from a crazy person(s) more than wild animals and use a mega dose of mace on a charging bear UNDER 400 lbs.

The seemingly clueless and careless people remind me of that joke,
"How many morons does it take to screw in a light bulb(eureka!)."


62 posted on 09/11/2005 5:24:16 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: manwiththehands
Going into bear country unarmed is dangerous and foolish.

That's pretty much the bottom line, isn't it.

63 posted on 09/11/2005 5:24:16 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: dr_who_2

2-3 inches is sufficiently accurate for your typical "oh, SH**!!!!!!" bear encounter distances.


64 posted on 09/11/2005 5:24:22 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: muir_redwoods

4" or longer barrel and it should be fine for black bears.

Use soft points in place of hollow points for deeper penetration, bears have thick hides and large muscle mass.


65 posted on 09/11/2005 5:24:36 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: dr_who_2

You are right on point. The masses get "Parks" shoved down their throats as something sacred for "the people" but the real agenda is to keep people out of them entirely. Parks is just another word for "government eminent domain for mineral rights." All Federal parks are slated for congressionally approved mineral exploration.


66 posted on 09/11/2005 5:25:19 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: therut

Mmmm. Howabout a library full of old retired couples?


67 posted on 09/11/2005 5:25:29 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: muir_redwoods

I think .44 Mag is a better choice for black bear, and .454 or higher for Grizzly. Use heavy bullets for penetration. My choice for my .44 Mag when in the back country are the Hornady custom with the 240 Gr. XTP bullets (you can get 300 Gr, too). I've found them to be very accurate, too. This is in a Super Blackhawk.


68 posted on 09/11/2005 5:26:21 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: U S Army EOD

Exactly. You never go into bear country without a repeater of some kind. Bolt action and other single shot action types does not cut it.


69 posted on 09/11/2005 5:26:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Richard-SIA

You always shoot for the neck in hope of breaking it.


70 posted on 09/11/2005 5:26:46 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: dr_who_2

.50 BMG!

20mm, but it's really heavy and requires payment of an unconstitutional $200 NFA tax.


71 posted on 09/11/2005 5:27:14 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Spktyr; All

What ever you do, never crawl up to the bear and attempt to sing to it. You folks remember that thread? It went on for over a week.


72 posted on 09/11/2005 5:28:28 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: Spktyr

Yes, but is six bullets enough for a weapon of that size?


73 posted on 09/11/2005 5:28:29 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Spktyr

Of course, it's agin the law to have a loaded gun in a National Park. What was that thing people talk about that somebody wrote down a couple of hundred years ago? Oh yeah! I remember now!! It's the Second Amendment....


74 posted on 09/11/2005 5:29:23 PM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: canalabamian

Hey! Can't we just get along?


75 posted on 09/11/2005 5:29:29 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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To: Richard-SIA

I don't care how big the bear is, I don't think it could claw the hatches open on my tank.


76 posted on 09/11/2005 5:30:08 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: dr_who_2

Depending on the distance, you may not have time to empty the weapon. Usually, it's over one way or the other by round #4 or #5.


77 posted on 09/11/2005 5:30:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

no kidding... and usually expressed with "mag" at the end.


78 posted on 09/11/2005 5:31:07 PM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Not if you're trying to *eat* me, no.


79 posted on 09/11/2005 5:31:14 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Archidamus

You can tell brown bear scat from grisly scat because grisly scat has bells and pepper spray in it.


80 posted on 09/11/2005 5:31:21 PM PDT by Mercat (God loves us where He finds us.)
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