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We had to kill our patients
The Daily Mail ^ | 09/11/2005 | CAROLINE GRAHAM and JO KNOWSLEY

Posted on 09/11/2005 2:36:06 PM PDT by kenth

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To: wagglebee

Visit www.wesleyj.smith.com He's a medical bioethicist although I don't know his religious beliefs. He is married to one of the columnists from World Net Daily.


261 posted on 09/12/2005 11:10:52 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Coleus

Florida didn't help Terri out but Florida does evacuate nursing homes and hospitals to higher ground BEFORE the event. Palms of Pasadena Hospital is right by the Gulf for example. Florida takes care of its seniors and infirmed before storms. There are also shelters here that allow pets now. If people won't leave their pets, pet shelters are the only way to save the lives of man and beast.


262 posted on 09/12/2005 11:14:04 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: STARWISE

Bump


263 posted on 09/12/2005 11:16:13 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Torie

Bush and Blanco were on a high profile vehicle this morning driving through New Orleans. I realize that Bush is trying to be a gentlemen but Blanco doesn't deserve that kind of treatment. She should be impeached if anybody is left in La to start a recall petition.


264 posted on 09/12/2005 11:16:27 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: bonfire

IMO, you don't have to kill a person to take away their pain. But, I do realize the hospitals were ignored and became hell holes. I want a real investigation. If we get another 9-11 commission, we won't ever know everything that went wrong. Being from Florida, I can say that at the point Katrina was strengthening at the tip of Florida, that's when the evacuation takes place. No more excuses from the mayor or the governor. Been there, done that.


265 posted on 09/12/2005 11:21:40 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Halls

230. I'm sorry and I agree with the rest of your post.


266 posted on 09/12/2005 11:22:57 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: STARWISE

Committing suicide is the easy way out at the time. Seems like the faux separation of church and state may be a bad idea. These cops would not have chosen that route if they knew how to pray.


267 posted on 09/12/2005 11:27:04 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: BykrBayb

thanks you


268 posted on 09/12/2005 11:54:56 AM PDT by Halls (Terri Schindler Schiavo was murdered legally in our country, NEVER FORGET!!!)
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To: floriduh voter

thanks FV, it was hard to see the best man I know die of Cancer like that, but he is in a better place now thankfully.


269 posted on 09/12/2005 11:55:44 AM PDT by Halls (Terri Schindler Schiavo was murdered legally in our country, NEVER FORGET!!!)
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To: BykrBayb

So, you'd rather your mother drown and die in agony? Is that what you're saying? I know where you stand on all of this, but we're talking about this particular story. Did you read it? Please explain what you would have wanted the Dr. to do.


270 posted on 09/12/2005 12:06:01 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: kenth

The first people to indict for murder,
are the engineers who placed the emergency
generators below sea level, then the inspectors that
inspected those facilities every few months.

It certainly isn't above the intelligence level
of neanderthals to build their caves for fire above the
level of the nearby stream.


271 posted on 09/12/2005 12:12:56 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: Hildy

And I know where you stand on this. I know that for you, it's personal. I know what your choice was in the past, and will be in the future. Personally, I think murder is wrong. I would not have a doctor kill my mother. I would expect him to give her proper care and treatment, and to protect her. I am not opposed to pain medication, when it's used to alleviate pain. After my husband's bypass, I was glad he got the morpine he needed. But if anyone had attempted to use that morpine to murder him, I'd have given them a big surprise. I will never understand anyone wanting their loved ones to be murdered.


272 posted on 09/12/2005 12:14:52 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: All

Looks like this story may actually be true.

Posted on Drudge-http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/12/D8CISTF81.html


273 posted on 09/12/2005 12:21:22 PM PDT by Halls (Terri Schindler Schiavo was murdered legally in our country, NEVER FORGET!!!)
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To: kenth

Well, that was easy enough; I guess we can quit worrying about the whether now and simply deal with the when.


274 posted on 09/12/2005 12:33:37 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: aShepard

There's this small problem of voltage drop over distance.


275 posted on 09/12/2005 12:39:20 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: BykrBayb

Did you read the story? I was commenting on the story. Given these set of circumstances, what would you have wanted the Dr. to do?


276 posted on 09/12/2005 12:59:48 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

I answered your question. Again, I would have wanted the doctor to do what doctors are supposed to do. Give proper care and treatment, and protect the patient. I wouldn't want the doctor to murder the patient, whether it was my mother with Alzheimer's, my father with cancer, or a complete stranger. Doctors are not supposed to murder patients.


277 posted on 09/12/2005 1:04:27 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: kenth
"You have to understand these people were going to die anyway."

A definition that includes 100% of the population. Watch your back! I hope they ID and prosecute a LOT of folks in the NO debacle. Sounds the the police, hospital admins, and everyone else dropped the ball. Sounds like the Big Easy did not value life much and that its social fabric was not suffused with any notion of honor.

278 posted on 09/12/2005 1:05:38 PM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: BykrBayb

Again, did you read the story> Given the facts of this story...what would you have wanted the Dr. to do? You didn't answer the question. They had to evacuate, there were dying patients who couldn't be evacuated. The Dr.'s had two choices...leave them to die a cruel death, or allow them to die peacefully. We're only talking about this circumstance.


279 posted on 09/12/2005 1:06:32 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: BykrBayb

Again, did you read the story> Given the facts of this story...what would you have wanted the Dr. to do? You didn't answer the question. They had to evacuate, there were dying patients who couldn't be evacuated. The Dr.'s had two choices...leave them to die a cruel death, or allow them to die peacefully. We're only talking about this circumstance.


280 posted on 09/12/2005 1:06:34 PM PDT by Hildy
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