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We had to kill our patients
The Daily Mail ^ | 09/11/2005 | CAROLINE GRAHAM and JO KNOWSLEY

Posted on 09/11/2005 2:36:06 PM PDT by kenth

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To: KarenMarie

See post 177


181 posted on 09/11/2005 4:46:37 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: eastforker

I'm not angry at the doctors but they broke the law and should have to face the consequences. It's that simple. It's not a hard concept to grasp.


182 posted on 09/11/2005 4:48:01 PM PDT by Arkie2 (Mega super duper moose, whine, cheese, series, zot, viking kitties, barf alert!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

FOX was reporting this earlier today...but was in a rush to leave the house so didn't catch the entire story.


183 posted on 09/11/2005 4:48:48 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Torie

States don't have the ability to decontaminate tens of thousands of people and they don't have enough, if any, people trained and qualified to operate in the CBR environments. Nobody will convince me otherwise. Only the military, specifically the United States Army and Marine Corps have the ability to do that. If you think H2O caused problems for local authorities wait and see what happens when citizens are panicked by CB stuff, God forbid.


184 posted on 09/11/2005 4:49:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Arkie2

I hope you feel that same way if you are ever on your death bed and you have the choice of either certain painless death by morphine or certain painful death in a day or two.


185 posted on 09/11/2005 4:50:55 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: Howlin
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong. I don't have as much time as you do to visit free republic I guess to drop in on numerous threads but, such as it is, I get pinged a lot about euthanasia and about death. Would you rather that I don't reply when people ping me????? You tell me the rules and I'll try not to show concern when people lose their lives.

I have a nice web site. It's not about death - it's about hope. And in case you didn't notice, this is the fourth anniversary of September 11th. People died so that must mean that I "get off" on death.

The world we live in is bringing lots of death and destruction, I'm not causing it. Nice try but no dice.

You must really be bored this evening.

186 posted on 09/11/2005 4:52:18 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Torie
Name me a state that can move folks in 48 hours, a massive number of folks.

Between NO and surrounding parishes, there were something like 2,000 school and transit buses. With 60 passengers each that's about 120,000 people who can be evacuated in one trip. It was in both the NO city and LA state plans to commandeer transport from various government entities like school districts to evacuate residents. If regular drivers had left, the governor could have ordered national guard units to drive. If an 18 year old who had never driven a large vehicle before could drive a shool bus to Houston, why not members of the national guard?

187 posted on 09/11/2005 4:52:44 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I'll bet these doctors were white Republicans working under orders from President Bush.

AND, all the patients were black!

188 posted on 09/11/2005 4:55:56 PM PDT by It's me
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To: eastforker; Canticle_of_Deborah

Rush read it in an e-mail from some friends of his from New Orleans on Friday. There have been a lot of stories that have been "debunked," but I for one no longer have any trust in the "debunkers."


189 posted on 09/11/2005 4:58:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: eastforker

I caught The English Patient last weekend on tv. It's too complicated to explain but it was troubling to watch. In other words, it wasn't a comedy. Once was enough for me.


190 posted on 09/11/2005 4:59:31 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Arthalion

Thank you for telling these people what life is like in the real world of medicine and war. And this hospital was in a "war zone" atmosphere. I totally agree with the ethics of making the agonized dying patient as comfortable as possible. That is standard operating procedure. And doctors have been shooting too much morphine into patients probably since iv lines were invented. We are not God. We can not cure the dying, but only be merciful and hope that some kind doctor will do the same for us when we are at the end.


191 posted on 09/11/2005 5:00:44 PM PDT by The Westerner
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To: kenth

The Daily Mail has journalistic standards lower than the National Enquirer.

I'm not buying this crap.


192 posted on 09/11/2005 5:02:03 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: jwalsh07

OK, what does CBR mean? It sounds like it isn't very salubrious, whatever it is. You army guys are so into acronyms. God created the English language, with 1.5 million words and counting, for a reason. How many words of that do I know? I don't know. If it exceeds 150,000, I would be susprised. It might be less. And I don't have many decades left, to learn the remaining 1.35 million.


193 posted on 09/11/2005 5:02:04 PM PDT by Torie
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To: eastforker

Since you support this lawless act you are presumably equally willing to forgive the looters and robbers in NO and maybe even the shooters because they were just trying to survive?

Situational ethics like yours are at the center of the decline of society. If it's against the law it should be punished. I guess you can't grasp that concept.


194 posted on 09/11/2005 5:03:00 PM PDT by Arkie2 (Mega super duper moose, whine, cheese, series, zot, viking kitties, barf alert!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

The 18 year old was 20, and he drove out two days after the storm. Great story though. There was no capacity to get drivers from anywhere to drive those buses in a timely way before the storm, absent the US military getting on the move immediately.


195 posted on 09/11/2005 5:03:46 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Paleo Conservative

"I think the mayor should have at least had the authority to declare a volunary evacuation and started using the school and transit system buses"

He did have this authority, according to the southeast Louisiana emergency evacuation plan that has been posted to FR several times.


196 posted on 09/11/2005 5:06:22 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Torie

Chemical, biological, radiological. But its been a long time a long time since I was the Company CBR NCO. Maybe they call it NBC now. LOL


197 posted on 09/11/2005 5:06:44 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Coleus
I would like to hear from a Christian pro-life medical ethicist on this. I know that this has been accepted practice on battlefields for a long time. This is not necessarily euthanasia in the classic sense of the word, these doctors lacked the ability rather than the desire to save these people; and unlike with terminal patients, these patients were likely to either die of something that would ordinarily be preventable or die violently.

All I know is that I would never want to be in a position to have to make a decision like this. But in the end, a lot of the fault lies with the incompetent mayor and governor and possibly hospital officials -- most of these patients SHOULD have been evacuated on Friday when it was obvious that the storm was coming, at that point there was ample time to save these people.

198 posted on 09/11/2005 5:06:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: epow
The Daily Telegraph is the Wall Street Journal of Britain. It is read by the business class bourgeoisie. It is delivered to those bucolic shires that are really heavily zoned suburbs and exurbs of the major metro areas each and every morning. It is a very right of center paper. It sticks with the Tories through thick and thin, even when they should be abandoned.
199 posted on 09/11/2005 5:08:35 PM PDT by Torie
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To: kenth

I don't know about this article but if true the deaths lie with Blanco for not ordering the guard in to control the hospitals.


200 posted on 09/11/2005 5:09:10 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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