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To: pillbox_girl
The burden of proof firmly lies on you to justify that position.

I did. You seem to expect a fully-funded 30-year cohort to be allowed to say anything here, a forum of discussion and opinion.

And now you are trying to worm your way out of your responsibility to justify your statement by trying to shift off your responsibility (in an very Naginesque way, I might add).

I am still here. I have to go in a couple of hours, but I have not "wormed" anything.

Prove that independents are indecisive or apathetic.

I stated my reasoning: "People have all the tools they need to politically define themselves,"

Mathematical proof is neither possible nor required; you either agree respectfully, or (in your case) moan and whine over it.

130 posted on 09/11/2005 1:13:28 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: SteveMcKing
I did.

No. You just repeated yourself. Repetition is not demonstration. It's not proof.

I stated my reasoning: "People have all the tools they need to politically define themselves,"

That is not reasoning. That is just another assertion without anything to back it up. And it is only relevant in a way that disproves your prior assertion.

What if peoples own "political definition" for themselves does not fit the cookie cutter platforms offered by the Republican and democrat party? You seem to think they should just suck up their disagreements and take whatever platforms the parties offer them. That they should tow the party line. That they should not think independently. That they should not be Independents.

You think that they are "indecisive" because they do not decide to register with one of the party offerings. That is a false assumption. If they were indecisive, then they would not have registered. Registered independents are not "indecisive". They have decided to register as independents.

You think that independents are apathetic. That is also blatantly untrue. Apathetic people would not bother to even register, much less take the effort to analyze the various party platforms and decide that none adequately match their own political beliefs, obligating them to register independent.

Earlier in this thread, I gave the example of independents who are at the same time pro-abortion and pro-Second Amendment. I know quite a few. They are all quite actively pro-abortion and quite actively pro-Second Amendment. They disagree with the Republican party on one issue, and the democrat party on the other, but they are far from apathetic.

I do not necessarily agree with all their political beliefs, but at least I am sufficiently rational to recognize and respect the strength of their convictions without simply trying to dismiss them with false blanket statements and insults. In fact, most independents I know are a hell of a lot more politically engaged than the vast majority of apathetic registered republicans and democrats, who don't think too greatly about their political beliefs, and just lazily accept whatever platforms the two major parties offer. If the republican party chooses to dismiss these independent voters the way you so ignorantly and flippantly do, it is to their great peril. The independents I know vote in every single election and intititive. After working the phones before the last elecion, I only wish more registered republicans where I live would bother to do the same.

143 posted on 09/11/2005 2:06:25 PM PDT by pillbox_girl
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