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To: jimmyray
Yeah, we know the earth is like billions of years old, 'cause evolution is true and the Bible is wrong. And we know Evolution is true (and the Bible wrong), cause the earth is Billions of years old!

Well, if you are going to be ignorant of science, at least be consistently and logically ignorant.

If you want to deny Evolution and assert young earth creationism, you also have to deny Physics, Astronomy, Einsteins General Relativity, Planetary Geophysics, and a huge compendium of scientific observation ranging from the detailed fossil record, to carbon dating, to the microwave background.

But the most ridiculous part is that the Bible does not assert a 4000 year old earth. Biblical creationism has to be interpreted properly. The Bible was written by Jews, and to be interpreted properly, must be understood from the cultural milieu of Biblical Jews. We have had Jewish scholars on these threads patiently explain that the Biblical account of creation (particularly the inference of a time scale) does not contradict the science of the Big Bang and earth's creation 4.5 billion years ago. It does not contradict evolution either. Moreover, Jewish and Catholic schools teach it this way.

46 posted on 09/11/2005 7:54:13 AM PDT by 2ndreconmarine
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To: 2ndreconmarine
Hate to do it, but here goes...

Well, if you are going to be ignorant of science, at least be consistently and logically ignorant.

Gee name calling...certainly proves your knowledge, eh? Exacly what am I denying in Physics? Gravity? Newtons laws? Atomic weights? Levers and fulcrums? And astronomy - how did I deny that? Just becasue I believe God made it, in a flash of a second, and stretched out the heavens, which accounts for the red shift, blah blah. Since you assert a big bang, you also deny there is a center to the universe, eh? So there was a big explosion, but now there is no center, and no place for the "inflating baloon" to start empty. How else would we explain that all star seem to be expanding away from the earth at equal rates? EG, red shift same for stars of relative distance regardless of their position in space from earth as a reference. (MAYBE the Earth is at the center?!?!) And how must I deny e=mc^2? Seems to me you have hung your entire world view on evolution as an integral base for almost all science, without realizing (or worse, refusing to investigate) the alternative explanation.

...detailed fossil record,

Actually, all we have is bones in the dirt. The "record" is put together by man, based on his assumptions and beliefs. If you would open your closed eyes to investifate the creation account, and the explanation of the same evidence, you would find it takes less faith to believe than evolution.

But the most ridiculous part is that the Bible does not assert a 4000 year old earth.

Ever actually read the book for yourself? Or are you a good evolutionist, and never investigate the other side for validity? Read Genesis 5:1-32, and Genesis 11:10-26. Hint:Abraham died somewhere around 2150-2050 BC. If you add up the numbers, the earth is around 6000 years old.

We have had Jewish scholars on these threads patiently explain that the Biblical account of creation (particularly the inference of a time scale)

Then why did the writer of Genesis 1 go to so much trouble to explain "the evening and the morning were the first day". Of course, you (they) can explain that to mean Billions of years, but it reads like a day to me. Final problem is that according to Genesis, God created plants the day before he created the sun! So He sustained the plants for milions (or is it billions) of years with no sun! Wow!!!Genesis 2:7 says "God formed man from the dust of the earth" not by millions of cycles of death and evolution.

Just because some "scolars" sacrifice the integrity of the scripture to fit in with "modern science" (sic), does not make them correct.

The point of the article in the first place is that because someone claims something, investigate their beliefs and action to verify they are true.

If you can't trust the Bible on creation, how can we trust it on Salvation? On Christ's deity? Many "modern biblical scolars" (sic) deny Christ was raised in bodily form, or that he even died! (like the muslims, eh?)

Before you know, we can deny sin, absolutes, etc!

Before you make silly assertions based on statements by "authorities", please investigate the Biblical claims on your own! God intentionally had it written in simple terms so we all could understand it. And remeber this, if the Catholic Church had it's way during the reformation, no one but the priests would have the Bible today!

DISCALIMER: Oh, and by the way, Evolution here on FR does not refer to astronomy, Big Bang, Physics, etc. "Evolution", as "proven fact", only means that we "know" less complex bilogical organisms evolve to more complex animals via natural selection and mutation.

56 posted on 09/11/2005 2:33:40 PM PDT by jimmyray
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