Posted on 09/11/2005 6:21:04 AM PDT by rhema
Minus biology? Minus geology?
That's what I did in college. It was the science and math classes that made sense. Knowing that God was behind it all, make it all that much clear.
biology and geology are sciences
Yeah, I know, but you'd think that at a christian college they might want to gloss over that stuff. 4000 year-old earth and all.
no i wouldnt think that..necessarily
I'm afraid I might have a little more suspicion. The proverbial "wolf in sheep's clothing" if you will, whether these liberal professors know it or not. I'm sure the evil one is pleased.
At any rate, I think BobD is right. Stick to the solid basics that they can't screw up.
James Burtchaell, the Catholic scholar mentioned, was provost at Notre Dame, the same kind of school he describes. Also, that Holy Cross priest lost his job when it was discovered that he went after the young men he was counseling as students.
Of course, you must define what you mean by "good", "christian", "narrow" and "fundamentalist".
Go ahead and sling the "puritanical" and "judgemental" labels around, too!
The whole idea has been a passing interest of mine for a while. The fact that they mention the ToE specifically makes me wonder just how the "average" Christian college handles the teaching of Geology and Biology.
Well, at least this part is good news.
At least the college is, well, a college. It has to be acredited, and it won't be if it teaches ID, creationism, or any of that other fantasy rubbish.
If a school were to teach ID / creationism, it might as well teach astrology and voodoo as well.
McBrien forced to deal with his past
By Observer Viewpoint
Published: Thursday, January 29, 2004
Article Tools: Page 1 of 2
Note: This letter to the editor was the subject of a response by Father Richard McBrien, a response by Bishop Daniel Jenky and an editor's note.
In the Jan. 27 Observer article "Campus, seminary react to priest scandal," Fr. Richard McBrien asserts that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' audit of its program for preventing sexual abuse by priests "could have been prevented if the Church has responded properly when allegations began coming to light over 25 years ago." According to McBrien, "some ... dioceses were not as forthcoming - and still are not - as they should be."
McBrien insists that "the officials of the Church need to allow every relevant question to be placed on the table and discussed. Nothing can be ruled out of bounds." Nothing except the sexual misconduct committed by McBrien's good friend and theological soulmate James Burtchaell, and the concealment of that behavior by his other friend Daniel Jenky.
Like Martin Luther, McBrien is a virulent anti-papist who loathes everything Roman Catholic from the cloth to virtually all dogma. The incontrovertible evidence shows he also is a hypocrite.
McBrien indicts the Church and its leaders for not responding properly to the sexual abuse issue 25 years ago. That seems like an apt time to start.
McBrien was head of Notre Dame's Theology Department in 1989-90 when he was advised that Fr. James Burtchaell sexually abused Notre Dame students during the 1970s and 1980s. See Observer, Vol. XXIV No. 64, p. 4 (Dec. 3, 1991). Burtchaell was a member of the Theology Department; McBrien was his boss.
Given his current sanctimonious condemnation of the Church regarding clergy sexual abuse, one might assume McBrien, to use his words, "responded properly" when Burtchaell's sexual misconduct was brought to his attention. To the contrary, McBrien concealed Burtchaell's conduct; he did not discipline him or remove him from contact with students. In short, McBrien continued to put Notre Dame students at risk of a known sexual predator.
Continued...
Although McBrien had knowledge of Burtchaell's crimes as early as 1989, Burtchaell's sexual abuse of Notre Dame students was not made public until late 1991. When asked about Burtchaell's serial sexual abuse of students after concealing knowledge thereof for more than two years, McBrien refused to "comment on the matter." See National Catholic Reporter (Dec. 6, 1991).
Remarkably, McBrien even refused to comment on Burtchaell's resignation. See Observer (Dec. 3, 1991).
McBrien's silence simply cannot be reconciled with his demand that "every relevant question" be asked and that "[n]othing can be ruled out of bounds." Those questions include what McBrien knew and when he knew it, and why he failed to act when Burtchaell's sexual abuse of students was disclosed to him.
Similar questions relate to Fr. Daniel Jenky's knowledge of Burtchaell's sexual abuse of Notre Dame students. At the time Burtchaell was preying on young boys, Jenky was the rector of Dillon Hall, where Burtchaell resided and where he committed his sins. There is compelling evidence that Jenky was aware of Burtchaell's conduct. Currently, Jenky is the Bishop of Peoria, Ill.
In a recent interview with the Denver Post, McBrien asserted that the U. S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Report failed to provide for the "punishment of bishops who knowingly moved abusive priests from parish to parish." Denver Post (June 9, 2002). Indignant, McBrien demanded "[t]hat oversight ... be remedied."
Revealing his "true" Christian virtues, McBrien shrieked that "[s]everal bishops are going to have to walk the plank. There will be no peace in the Catholic Church until some bishops pay the price." According to judge, jury and executioner McBrien, the "first down the plank should be ... Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston and Cardinal Edward Egan of New York - but there's room for several others."
If McBrien had any decency or intellectual honesty, he would be fixing the blindfold for his good friend Bishop Jenky and lighting his last cigarette. McBrien's hypocritical refusal to respond to inquiries about his knowledge of Burtchaell's crimes is as morally bankrupt as his failure to call for the resignation of his good friend Jenky.
Until McBrien applies the standards he demands of the Church to his friends and himself, he lacks moral standing to speak on this issue. His words are the empty rhetoric of an over-zealous apostate. Not coincidentally, McBrien is a bully who censors any inquiry into how his own "theological" opinions and thoughts have contributed to the allegedly high incidence of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy.
Unfortunately for McBrien, he has been outed by Michael Rose in "Goodbye, Good Men," which links abuse by Catholic priests to the pabulum pawned off as "theology" by McBrien and his ilk.
Edward B. Fitzpatrick
alumni
'80 BBA, '83 JD
Jan. 27
http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2004/01/29/Viewpoint/Mcbrien.Forced.To.Deal.With.His.Past-590959.shtml?page=2
Amen! I spent 4 years in engineering school, and 2 in graduate MBA, and seldom heard any of this anti-christian liberal baloney. However, friends I had while working in the restraunt industry influenced my thinking to the left side, for a time.
A good Christian education should deepen their faith by teaching them to understand the why of what they believe.
I took neither for my Industrial Engineering or my MBA work. Wasn't required. Imagine, learning engineering (and being very successful) without being indoctrinated in the basis of all science, EVOLUTION?!?! /so
Yeah, we know the earth is like billions of years old, 'cause evolution is true and the Bible is wrong. And we know Evolution is true (and the Bible worng), cause the earth is Billions of years old!
WARNING: About to become an evolution debate thread!
I almost feel as though I were in some kind of penal institution. I feel somewhat as I do when I am in Los Angeles or any of the over-regulated cities of the West, where pedestrians meekly wait around on the street comers for non-existent traffic and cross the streets only at the sound of the prison gong."
LOL
(I use Avant Browser, and it enables me to turn off the flashing. That's good -- because I was getting HYP-MO-TIZED!)
Dan
What I've been wondering is just how the topics of Biology or Geology are addressed at Christian colleges. I know that you didn't take the courses yourself, but did you get an idea of what was taught or how it might have been taught differently from a secualr college?
From that article once again, I love this admiring tribute from Pearl Buck, whom Machen opposed assiduously:
"He stood for something and everyone knew what it was."
Not a bad epitaph, eh?
I don't like to say this, God will punish the US. Hurricanes and jihadists??
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