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To: Heyworth; PeaRidge
Tariff revenue in 1862 was the same as in 1859. In 1863 it was over $69 million and in 1864 it was $102 million, almost double what it had been in 1860. All that quote proves is that economic doomsayers have been with us forever.

I'm curious what your tariff revenue figures mean in terms of volume or value of imports in constant 1859 dollars. What if your import numbers were adjusted for the rate of wartime inflation and the effective tariff rates for those years?

This is what they were responding to: [an August 1861 meeting poster]

It has always amazed me that the old Northern calls for support of the Northern government, like your meeting poster, cite the Constitution and laws as though the North were on the side of the Constitution and the laws.

Before the War, Northern states flagrantly violated the Constitution over the issue of the return of escaped slaves. After the War started and before your August 1861 poster appeared, Lincoln violated the Constitution as follows:

Lincoln usurped the Constitutional power of Congress to raise and support armies and provide and maintain a navy

Lincoln usurped the power of Congress to declare war and regulate the ports

Lincoln usurped the power of Congress in suspending the writ of habeas corpus

Lincoln usurped the power of Congress to make and direct appropriations

Lincoln violated the Constitution with regard to searches and seizures

Lincoln abridged Constitutional freedom of speech in suppressing newspaper presses and arresting civilians for expressing political opinion

Lincoln violated the Constitution in arresting without civil processes citizens who were not subject to the rule of war

Lincoln's army had seized arms of private citizens on suspicion only and quartered soldiers in civilian houses without the consent of the owners

1,168 posted on 11/16/2005 1:56:47 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
WELL SAID!

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1,169 posted on 11/16/2005 2:24:15 PM PST by stand watie (Being a DAMNyankee is no better than being a RACIST. DYism is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: rustbucket
What if your import numbers were adjusted for the rate of wartime inflation and the effective tariff rates for those years?

Both of those are definitely factors. The tariff was raised and there was inflation (although nothing like what the south saw--Union inflation was pretty much in line with wartime inflation during the World Wars). Nonetheless, the loss of the south during the war did not, in fact, cripple the economy of the north, so all claims that it would do so were false.

1,170 posted on 11/16/2005 2:28:45 PM PST by Heyworth
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