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To: mac_truck; Gianni

Ah, yes, the old you are "sloppy or willfully deceptive" tactic.

Good for you, Gianni. You finally got him to read something for a change. This has got to have a major impact on his I.Q.

Oops, I mis-spoke. Look at this from our old pal:

"In 1786 Charleston alone shipped 1.5 million lbs. of cotton overseas."

Then his next sentence begins with "those who claim the South didn't have an established shipping business".

He has quoted a statement that alone sounds impressive, and would lead to all sorts of conclusions, including the wrong ones.

Mac, you are quoting a volume shipped, but offer no evidence on what it was shipped. Therefore that quote only has relevance on some amount of cotton shipped, and not the shipping business.

So, how about some truth. According to Coker, Charleston shipped its first load of cotton to Liverpool in 1785.

"But a second shipment arrived in Liverpool the following month via New York, and that was the beginning of the roundabout trade that was to swell to such tremendous proportions in the next century...By 1822 some 55 percent of New York's exports to Liverpool were Southern products, most notably cotton and naval stores."

Then you say:

"Those who claim the South didn't have an established shipping business when the First Congress of the United States enacted protective laws toward domestic shipping are either being sloppy or willfully deceptive."

It would seem that you are the one being sloppy.


1,031 posted on 10/20/2005 1:09:56 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge
Mac, you are quoting a volume shipped, but offer no evidence on what it was shipped

Vessels cleared out at the custom-house Charleston, from November 1786, to November 1787, belonging to the following nations.

AMERICA.
40 ships, measuring..........7372 tons
3 snows..........252
95 brigs..........9824
285 sloops..........12650
312 schooners..........11433
735..........41531 tons

GREAT-BRITAIN.
35 ships..........7152 tons
4 snows..........535
46 brigs..........5052
35 sloops..........2160
28 schooners..........1288
148..........16787

SPAIN.
2 brigs..........723 tons
3 sloops..........150
39 schooners..........650
44..........1073

FRANCE.
1 snow..........180 tons
3 brigs..........235
2 sloops..........138
2 schooners..........162
8..........715

UNITED NETHERLANDS.
1 ship..........290 tons
4 brigs..........509
5..........799

IRELAND.
1 ship..........218 tons
1 brig..........101
2..........319
Altona 1 ship..........280
Bremen 1 brig..........193
Denmark 1 brig..........164
Hamburgh 1 brig..........130
Austria 1 brig..........127
Total, 947 vessels, 62118 Tons.

At least you and the professore have stopped pretending the South didn't have established shipping interests. Maybe now you can focus your meager capacities on making up reasons why those shipping interests and the newly diversified Southern economy [lol] were a threat to the North. We'll just pretend all your fulminations and broadsides about the Warehousing Act and Navigation Laws were never written...

1,042 posted on 10/21/2005 8:11:11 AM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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