To: ml1954
To understand in a deep, fundamental way. In order to do that, science would need to embrace axioms that are outside-of-natural (extranatural, supernatural) in character. This is about things that have a will and can impose that will upon the natural, rather than resulting from some chain of natural events. Since its self defined mission is the natural, science can not possibly get a grip on the supernatural.
To: drlevy88
Interesting that you use a term coined by Heinlein in "Stranger In A Strange Land".
Some quotes: about this book; from characters in his books; and from Heinlein himself
-- The man/ Martian comes to Earth and broadcasts his ideas by forming his own Church. [Amazon.com]
-- (Religous) Faith strikes me as intellectual laziness. [Jubal Hershaw, from Stranger in a Strange Land, by Robert Heinlein]
-- I've never understood how God could expect His creatures to pick the one true religion by faith - it strikes me as a sloppy way to run a universe. [Robert Heinlein, Jubal Harshaw in Stranger in a Strange Land]
-- One man's religion is another man's belly laugh.[Heinlein]
-- God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills.[Robert Heinlein, Notebooks of Lazarus Long]
-- History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. [Robert Heinlein, Notebooks of Lazarus Long]
-- The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history. [Robert Heinlein]
-- Etc., etc...
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09/09/2005 5:40:24 AM PDT by
ml1954
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