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To: coconutt2000
How could he prove that martial law was necessary to get around the governor's and mayor's obstruction to proper emergency measures

I did not think that the President could invoke martial law. That is a states rights issue I thought. He can declare a natural disaster and that is a money issue, but unless the Governor of a state cedes control, the President has no such power! Correct me if I am wrong.

21 posted on 09/07/2005 4:07:04 AM PDT by gr8eman (Idiots are idiots because they are too stupid to know that they are idiots.)
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To: gr8eman

Technically you're correct. There is no express power for the declaration of martial law granted to the President of the United States.

However, the precedent set by President Lincoln is such that a President can get away with it, but he'll have to answer to Congress afterward, which is where the question of the President overstepping his authority will be decided.

In other words, if Congress doesn't interfere with the President in his role of commander-in-chief, acting in that role to secure the public safety in an emergency, then a Presidential declaration of martial law can stick.




Source: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html
"In the United States, there is precedent for martial law. Several times in the course of our history, martial law of varying degrees has been declared. The most obvious and often-cited example was when President Lincoln declared martial law during the Civil War. This instance provides us with most of the rules for martial law that we would use today, should the need arise."


23 posted on 09/07/2005 4:14:40 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: gr8eman; coconutt2000
I did not think that the President could invoke martial law. That is a states rights issue I thought. He can declare a natural disaster and that is a money issue, but unless the Governor of a state cedes control, the President has no such power!
As a practical matter, anyone can can declare martial law - if they control troops who will back that declaration up with deadly force. Martial law is about raw power. Martial law is about suspending constitutional rights and threatening summary execution of violations of public order. Shoot first and ask questions later, if ever.

In hindsight, we now know that Bush doing that would have been a humanitarian act if it enabled him to accomplish an essentially complete evacuation of NOLA. coconutt2000 makes the point, though, that had he done so, we would be denied the hindsight that we now have - the good he did would be taken for granted, and he would have been impeached for violating the Constitution. Bush himself could not really know, though he certainly must have strongly suspected, that things would have gone this bad when he was between the rock of onrushing Katrina and the hard place of the constitutional limits on his authority.

There was always the bare outside chance that Katrina might actually do limited damage, making the evacuation seem unnecessary in hindsight. That is precisely what had happened on prior near-miss hurricanes, as a caller to Rush Limbaugh noted yesterday. The caller predicted that when NOLA gets dried out we will find many automobiles owned by people whose prior experience of getting out of Dodge in horrendous traffice had convinced them that evacuating wasn't worth it - nothing ever really happened. And that undoubtedly was on the mind of the governor and the mayor as well.

On reflection the best thing Bush could have done would have been to tell the mayor that if he would drive a school bus through NOLA to pick up evacuees, Bush would ride the back seat. Leadership. I don't see how else it could have been done.


26 posted on 09/07/2005 5:49:55 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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