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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Despite what you think, the President does not have almighty powers. And imagine the uproar on here if he (or bill/Hillary Clinton) did.

When you have an unprecedented disaster involving 90,000 square miles involving millions of people across several states, the Federal Government must take the lead. Damn the uproar if it means lives will be saved. That is what leadership is all about. If GWB (read FEMA and Homeland Security) had taken the lead earlier on, more lives would have been saved. GWB would have been lionized by the American people if he had taken this action. Besides, GWB is not running again for election.

The 82nd Airborne/Marines or any other military unit can not be instantly deployed by the President snapping his fingers and saying "Make it so." They must be mobilized, and that may take a few days to do - and it did.

They don't have to be mobilized. They are ready to go anywhere in the world with less than 24 hours notice. They should have been on standby before the hurricane hit.

The key point of the article is that emergency management is local and there is a process to kick it up to the feds. It is amazing that no one is mentioning that New Orleans and LA have long been known to be the most corrupt governments in the country (Philly gives them a run for the money).

That's what I am railing against--process. There is no doubt that the city and state governments are inept and corrupt. They are not unique. The bottom line is that we had thousands and thousands of Americans in mortal danger. Forget about the process and save lives. Let the chips fall where they may.

39 posted on 09/06/2005 6:16:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar; bitt
Forget about the process and save lives. Let the chips fall where they may.

Listen to what you are saying. You are absolving local goverment of any responsibility, asking for some sort armed Federal HR Fire Brigade of 50 or 60 thousand men to be ready to respond anywhere in the country at a moment's notice? And where would you put them?

Louisiana, like every other state, has a National Guard, State Police, Sheriff Departments, EMT's, School Bus Drivers and buses, Bus Companies and drivers, RailRoads, Taxicabs, private cars, African American Churches with buses and vans, NOLA has a Police Department. The plan was in place. None of these resiources were orgaized, none were deployed properly. Emergency situations require IMMEDIATE RESPONSE LOCALLY. With the advance warning these Affirmative Action Ani had, there is simply no excuse for their inaction and ineptitude.

The Governor did not even ASK for help from other states, until it was OVER. Do you not realize, in your zeal to overturn process, that Federal troops and National Guardsmen from other states, must be ASKED into a state by the Governor?

The Mayor did not order the evacuation until too late and until after the Governor asked him to. They both disregarded instructions from FEMA AND GW. Can you not see that the Mayor and Governor did not handle their jobs? He, for one, is an idiot with a substance abuse problem and cannot be criticized because he is black. She, a snivelling monument to ineptitude, cannot be criticized because she is a woman. Political Correctness gives them both immunity. What they gave back was the needless deaths of hundreds, which with MSM support, they can now blame on the Feds.

O buyer of MSM BS, What you are really asking for in effect, is that when there is advance warning of some natural disaster, that the Federal Government take over cities. Ain't the way it works in America. Locals are responsible first. Help is on the way. Takes a few days. BTW, it would be extremely helpful if the locals didn't shoot at it.

58 posted on 09/06/2005 6:46:33 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Louisiana: Democrats in Charge. Republicans in Responsibility)
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To: kabar; bitt
Forget about the process and save lives. Let the chips fall where they may.

Listen to what you are saying. You are absolving local goverment of any responsibility, asking for some sort armed Federal HR Fire Brigade of 50 or 60 thousand men to be ready to respond anywhere in the country at a moment's notice? And where would you put them?

Louisiana, like every other state, has a National Guard, State Police, Sheriff Departments, EMT's, School Bus Drivers and buses, Bus Companies and drivers, RailRoads, Taxicabs, private cars, African American Churches with buses and vans, NOLA has a Police Department. The plan was in place. None of these resiources were orgaized, none were deployed properly. Emergency situations require IMMEDIATE RESPONSE LOCALLY. With the advance warning these Affirmative Action Ani had, there is simply no excuse for their inaction and ineptitude.

The Governor did not even ASK for help from other states, until it was OVER. Do you not realize, in your zeal to overturn process, that Federal troops and National Guardsmen from other states, must be ASKED into a state by the Governor?

The Mayor did not order the evacuation until too late and until after the Governor asked him to. They both disregarded instructions from FEMA AND GW. Can you not see that the Mayor and Governor did not handle their jobs? He, for one, is an idiot with a substance abuse problem and cannot be criticized because he is black. She, a snivelling monument to ineptitude, cannot be criticized because she is a woman. Political Correctness gives them both immunity. What they gave back was the needless deaths of hundreds, which with MSM support, they can now blame on the Feds.

O buyer of MSM BS, What you are really asking for in effect, is that when there is advance warning of some natural disaster, that the Federal Government take over cities. Ain't the way it works in America. Locals are responsible first. Help is on the way. Takes a few days. BTW, it would be extremely helpful if the locals didn't shoot at it.

62 posted on 09/06/2005 6:50:00 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Louisiana: Democrats in Charge. Republicans in Responsibility)
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To: kabar

"When you have an unprecedented disaster involving 90,000 square miles involving millions of people across several states, the Federal Government must take the lead."

Ok, since you are quantifying things, at what lower threshold of disaster and destruction is it acceptable to ignore the Constitution?


71 posted on 09/06/2005 7:11:10 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: kabar
Dear Kabar,

As I understand your post, you are saying the Feds should have moved in without the required legal authorization from the Louisiana Governor.

NO WAY, JOSE!

The fault is clearly upon the Governor of Louisiana's head. We have a government carefully crafted to restrain government. If the locals vote in a clown, and get a circus - so be it.

It is not incumbent on the rest of America to give up the carefully crafted balance of powers to save those who willingly and repeatedly voted into office those who were unable to carry out their most basic duties.

Even a student could see what needed to be done, And that student commandeered a bus and saved both the bus and about 70 people.

That's more than the governor and the major did.

This isn't a Federal fault situation at all.

Louisiana did this to themselves. Sorry, all you Liberal trolls who read this, but your rationalizations won't fly this time.
84 posted on 09/06/2005 7:34:54 AM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: kabar

The bottom line is that we had thousands and thousands of Americans in mortal danger. Forget about the process and save lives. Let the chips fall where they may.

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Thousands and thousands in mortal danger because they have been taught dependency on Govt. officials to tell them what to eat, where to go and when to leave.

What part of "independence" do you not understand?

sp


126 posted on 09/06/2005 8:39:32 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put - NOT evict others.)
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To: kabar
Besides, GWB is not running again for election.

Okay, but it would be nice if PRESIDENT BUSH was given the opportunity to finish the term he was duly elected to serve.

As you have already been told, if PRESIDENT BUSH had done as you suggest, there would exist, for the first time, legitimate grounds for impeachment.

If PRESIDENT BUSH sneezes, our "friends" from across the aisle, want to impeach him for spreading germs and endangering millions.

I understand your frustration, however, something you will not hear often, it is ...
NOT PRESIDENT BUSH'S FAULT!!!

179 posted on 09/06/2005 9:32:54 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem !)
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To: kabar
When you have an unprecedented disaster involving 90,000 square miles involving millions of people across several states, the Federal Government must take the lead. Damn the uproar if it means lives will be saved. That is what leadership is all about.

Da** that pesky Constitution of the United States, the laws on the books ... what a nuisiance. [/sarc]

233 posted on 09/06/2005 10:49:35 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: kabar
It Should be SOP for the feds to immediately insert military forces, guns blazing at lawbreakers, under the force of Martial Law, into a disaster area Immediately because civil disturbances and looting are assured. (We have had this lesson for the last 40 years and ignore it repeatedly.) The authority for this comes from:

Section. 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

This was eventually carried out in NOLA, too late to prevent a lot of criminality. First secure the area, next search and rescue. This was done backwards.
236 posted on 09/06/2005 10:59:30 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (!...The Confederate States of America rises again...!)
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To: kabar

"GWB would have been lionized by the American people if he had taken this action. Besides, GWB is not running again for election."

Bush would have been impeached, rightfully so, for violating the Constitution he is sworn to protect and defend.


242 posted on 09/06/2005 11:03:32 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Free Speech is a Right. Being Wrong is Just...Wrong.)
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To: kabar

MS and AL are not having the same problems that NOLA is having... Why? Because the state governments in MS and AL had a plan, enacted it, requested help, and coordinated efforts...

So - we should destroy the COnstitution??? Are you advocating that the federal government should ignore the Constitution when it suits them?


256 posted on 09/06/2005 11:57:12 AM PDT by WomanBiologist
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