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To: curiosity
"Which "evolutionisits" share the blame for the current sorry state of American public eduction? Very few practicing evolutionary biologists I know of have anything to do with public education. Some write biology textbooks, maybe, but I haven't seen any evidence that biology textbook quality is particularly bad. It's the history, math, and English books that seem to be the worst."

What do you mean some write the textbook maybe? If they are not writing the textbook then who is? Evolution is not limited to just biology textbooks, every "science" book presented in public school has some portion of the TOE as foundation.

Exactly how does one practice evolutionary biology? Do they have a business name?

What evolution contains no math, no history, and void of English? The mindset of the evolutionists permeates every discipline and appears a blindness afflicts that mindset."

"The people primarily responsible for destroying are schools are the education bureaucrats, teachers' colleges, and teachers' unions. Why aren't you fighting them?"

Let's not leave out some parents as well. None of the listed above as destroyers are against evolution.

"One of the reasons why education is suffering is because conservatives are wasting resources on this stupid fight about "intelligent design" nonsense instead of fighting to improve standards, abolishing teacher tenure, purging the social science and humanities curriculum from leftist and revisionist garbage, etc."

What resources are being wasted?? How much is it costing you?? You want the fight to end put up the white flag.

"With all the leftist horrors in public education, the one thing that gets seems to get conservatives most worked up is evolution. If that is the best we conservatives can do, our country is doomed."

TOE entered the system of education first, you tell a child they are descendants of animals they are going to act like animals. Might surprise you the good brothers donating to the public school system.

Evolution is not a sterile walled discipline, the theory/ideology is that which all other disciplines flow.
215 posted on 09/06/2005 6:10:41 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
TOE entered the system of education first

Yep. In a popular botany text written by an evangelical Christian (Asa Gray of Havard).

217 posted on 09/06/2005 6:18:57 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Just mythoughts
What do you mean some write the textbook maybe? If they are not writing the textbook then who is?

Well, not all biology textbooks are written by evolutionary biologists. Some are written by biologists whose specialty is in another field of biology.

Of course, some evolutionary biologists have written primary and high school texts, or at least contributed to them. I don't think that these textbooks are bad. They're at least not as bad as a lot of the books public schools are using for Math and the humanities. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

It's also true that evolution is the fundamental organizing principle of biology. Therefore all biologists, even those who do not specialize in evoluton, do research that involves evolution in some manner.

Evolution is not limited to just biology textbooks, every "science" book presented in public school has some portion of the TOE as foundation.

Really? TOE in a physics textbook a chemistry textbook? I somehow doubt it. It must be something new. When I was in high school in the early 1990's, only biology textbooks mentioned the TOE. If you have a referece to a physics textbook that has "some portion of the TOE as foundation," love to see it.

Exactly how does one practice evolutionary biology? Do they have a business name?

Perhaps "practice" was the wrong word. I mean evolutionary biologists who are actively doing research in the field.

What evolution contains no math, no history, and void of English?

I was talking about subject areas. Math, English, and history are subjects taught in classes seperate from biology. Leftist ideology has resulted in terrible textbooks that are used in Math, history, and English classes. The textbooks used in biology are, for the most part, pretty decent as far as I can tell.

The mindset of the evolutionists permeates every discipline and appears a blindness afflicts that mindset.

Really? How exactly does this midset "permeate" mathematics? Or history? Or economics?

None of the listed above as destroyers are against evolution.

Yes. So? I never said the destroyers of education are against evolution. Most probably don't care about it much one way or the other.

They're not evolutionary biologists, however, contrary to what you originally claimed. I am presuming that by "evolutionist" you meant evolutionary biologist, but perhaps you mean something else by that term. If so, would you care to clarify?

What resources are being wasted??

Political capital, for one. Also, there are the millions of dollars spent by the Discovery Institute and other ID or creationist lobbying groups.

That's money that could otherwise be going to funding ballot initiatives to end teacher tenure, institute merit pay, or increase graduation standards, for example.

How much is it costing you?? You want the fight to end put up the white flag.

No, I want to fight the real leftist enemies of education, not windmills.

TOE entered the system of education first, you tell a child they are descendants of animals they are going to act like animals. Might surprise you the good brothers donating to the public school system.

The TOE entered the school system in the 1920's. The school system did not start going downhill until the late 1960's, early 1970's. The two have nothing to do with one another.

Evolution is not a sterile walled discipline, the theory/ideology is that which all other disciplines flow.

Yeah, right. Please tell me exactly how the theory of evolution affects the teaching of Freshman geometry.

228 posted on 09/06/2005 10:46:21 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: Just mythoughts

"Exactly how does one practice evolutionary biology? Do they have a business name?"

Try any of the big pharmaceutical or biotech companies.


231 posted on 09/07/2005 3:29:47 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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