Posted on 09/03/2005 8:44:11 PM PDT by Wolfstar
Hell, it does no good to confuse them with facts. They will just tell you if the Louisiana National Guard wasn't in Iraq with all the hurricane disaster equipment that they took over there, then they would have had a convoy sailing through the hurricane force winds and into the city the same day as Katrina made landfall. It's Bush's fault, you silly goose.
Remember that the director of the National Weather Service called Mayor Nagin and told him to get those people out of there the night before Nagin made the mandatory evac order.
He said something to the effect that he had to do something so he would be able to sleep at night.
What I don't understood is why was the director calling Mayor Nagin? Why hadn't Nagin already consulted with the National Weather service and followed their recommendations? How could he ignore that report and continue to drag his feet?
thanks
In the craziness of the storms this year .. I had forgotten all about this one.. perhaps there's something worth noting for your timeline:
Tuesday, July 5 - The depression becomes Tropical Storm Cindy and moves ashore on the Louisiana coast with sideways rain and intermittent squalls as it heads toward Mississippi's Gulf Coast for a second strike. At 11 p.m. EDT, Cindy is centered 20 miles south-southwest of Grand Isle and is moving north-northeast at about 13 mph, with a gradual turn expected toward the northeast. Tropical storm-force wind and rain extended up to 105 miles to the east of its center.
• Wednesday, July 6 - The Gulf Coast cleans up from Cindy — which left more than 250,000 people without electricity. The storm pelted Louisiana with nearly 8 inches of rain and 70 mph winds, and caused flooding along the coast, including 34 road closures in one Mississippi county. The storm ripped up piers in Alabama, damaged a home and spawned a tornado at Semmes, Ala. Some areas received more than 10 inches of rain.
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Seems like Blanco and Nagin already had practice
Statement on Federal Assistance for Louisiana - August 23, 2005
The President today declared a major disaster exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement State and local recovery efforts in the area struck by Tropical Storm Cindy on July 5-6, 2005.
Federal funding is available to State and eligible local governments and certain private nonprofit organizations on a cost-sharing basis for emergency work and the repair or replacement of facilities damaged by Tropical Storm Cindy in the parishes of Jefferson, Lafourche, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, and St. Charles.
Federal funding is also available on a cost-sharing basis for hazard mitigation measures in the parishes of Jefferson, Lafourche, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, and St. Charles.
Representing the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named Sandra Coachman as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.
The Agency said additional designations may be made at a later date if requested by the State and warranted by the results of further damage assessments.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.
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When Al Gore walks into this scenario, you KNOW the Rats are in the War Room mode ... Hillary may not be far behind, nor Wonderboy Edwards. Carville and Begala will be in peak form this week. Get informed and armed!
Rove's luck has struck again, with Justice William Rehnquist's death giving the Sunday shows something to talk about besides What Went Wrong in New Orleans.
What's bad about it is that Rove, as I have said many times before, doesn't know that he's luckier than he will ever be good, and it appears that he's doing another "Rove-a-Dope" -- that is, just waiting until a controversy punches itself out -- when it's easier and simpler to kill it with cold hard facts.
Rove has failed to trumpet accomplishments and achievements of Bush's economy and foreign policy and let lies, misconceptions and half-truths about Bush, Cheney, Cabinet figures, court nominees, and others go unanswered for at least a day several times in the past five years. But this slow response to criticism (much of it valid, most of it not) to the reaction of the Federal Government to Katrina has not only damaged the reputation of this President, but the reputation of the United States throughout the world.
I am not worried about the investigation into the Plame kerfuffle; I would be surprised if Rove was found guilty of doing anything besides trying to make sure the truth was told about Joe Wilson. I also believe that there is nothing Rove does that other consultants couldn't do just as well or better -- after all, look at Bush's approval numbers. That's not a "genius" at work.
It will be interesting to compare and contrast Louisiana and Mississippi's responses and outcomes.
Ping
National Hurricane Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out..."
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | Sun, Aug. 28, 2005 | BY MARC CAPUTO, DAVID OVALLE AND ERIKA BOLSTAD
Posted on 09/03/2005 2:14:14 PM CDT by joinedafterattack
MAYOR CRITICIZED EVEN BEFORE LEVY BREAK. National Hurricane Center Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out of New Orleans." "The criticisms of Nagin came from above as well. Numerous officials urged him to evacuate the city, but he worried about the legality of ordering people out when New Orleans has few safe hurricane shelters. Also, National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield in Miami called Nagin at home Saturday night and told him: Get people out of New Orleans.
''I could never sleep if I felt like I didn't do everything that I could to impress upon people the gravity of the situation,'' Mayfield said. ``New Orleans is never going to be the same.''
When a grim Nagin issued the mandatory evacuation order Sunday, he said: ``We are facing a storm that most of us have feared . . . God bless us.''
Wow- you've outdone yourself this time!
Thank you so very much for doing this.
BUMP (and thanks, Wolfstar)
not only that, but even though given the circumstances it was NOT slow, it is going to be moving at a slower pace than it could becasue the best routes into New Orleans were decimated or severely damaged at least.
The I-10 bridge was decimated in many spots(only across southern Mississippi did it fare worse leaving only the pylons that support the roadbed), and with moderate to severe damage of the Lake Ponchartrain Causeway and the Bonnet Carre Spillway (spots where the roadbed is gone, and not enough complete on both sides between the various crossovers--even with which the approaches to the causeway are flooded), that leaves only two land routes directly into New Orleans: Airline Hwy (US 90) and the old Masonry bridge from Slidell (US 11). Going into N.O. Airline hwy is flooded in spots from the levees breaking along 17th st. and the industrial canal. The sheer storm surge floods us 11 2ft or more in spots, esp where it passes Michoud Assembly (NASA's shuttle tank facility) in the eastern part of Orleans Parish, not to mention the flood waters over us 11 on the northshore.
Given that they had three days warning and that it was 5 days before large quantities of food and water were deliveredto New Orleans and a secure atmosphere for disbursement was established it seems clear that this was slow - 8 days to get basic supplies in.
Remember while ago when you said this?
To: rdb3
Well I'm too new for my opinion to count much but for the record, I agree with you.
11 posted on 09/03/2005 7:24:03 PM EDT by gondramB
It's not because you're new; it's because you're MISINFORMED.
32 posted on 09/03/2005 11:55:30 PM EDT by Howlin
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Has anyone ever considered that New Orleans should have had 3-5 days worth of emergency supplies inside their own saucer of a city? I only see blame of the Fed response. Never a question of the responsibility of people who LIVE in the path of hurricanes.
Who's side are you on ?
I can't help but wonder if by doing it alone that she was maybe hoping that she'd become some sort of Guiliano-style hero (heroine) and it backfired.
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Given her performance, I cannot imagine that she ever saw herself as a Giuliano-type.
Given the disgusting politicizing of this disaster by radical lefties, both elected and unelected, I can visualize that to her and her advisors, the "image" of a federalized state was worse to her than a destroyed, drowned state. Because "image" is their reality, they can pursuade themselves that President Bush and Republicans also put "image" above human beings.
Good job at finding all of that Wolfstar! Wish we could swamp the media with all of it. Would they pay any attention to it, do you suppose?
Amazing work! Many, many thanks!
thanks for the post
My God, the facts are out there, but as long as the MSM, FOX and others allow the dems to cite lies, those lies will be the truth for many. The dems have politicized this to the max. But Sean (and he is but one) is afraid to rebutt it seems for fear of appearing political.
It does not have to be an argument.
Livingston pleading with the gov
The head of the Hurricane Center calling the gov
Bush calling the gov
Nagin afraid of liability from business, the school buses.
The public needs to be educated as to what must occur prior to the military coming in. It seems many of the talking heads do not have a clue. How can they relate facts when they are ignorant of them?
Today’s aerial tour of the 17th Street levee will be featured tomorrow on ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Later, Sen. Landrieu will also appear on CBS’s 60 Minutes.
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I've already seen part of this aerial tour on the Weather Channel. Ms Landrieu is crying and blaming the failure to have the levee fixed on GWB. It is phenomenal!!
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