So Mr Mayor, did leaving these buses to be flooded fit into your evacuation plan which apparently was to blame GW for everything.
Posted on 09/03/2005 12:14:14 PM PDT by joinedafterattack
Alright; if the State Governer dies or is otherwise incapacitated there is someone either above or below in the chain of command.
Who the heck is it?
So Mr Mayor, did leaving these buses to be flooded fit into your evacuation plan which apparently was to blame GW for everything.
That's an interesting picture.
Not only are the school and city busses missing, why is traffic coming into the city. All lanes should have been used to leave the city. That would have moved the traffic out twice as fast and stopped the potential victims from coming into N O's.
Always nice to hear of a DU-moron who is 'heartbroken' over being unable to propagandize successfully....
Ping
Evidently, they see a melting away of their power base.
And after all these years of knowing it's coming WE HAVE NO PLAN WTF TO DO!
Can anyone find where Governor Blanco requested federal troops. I searched and searched and only found where she asked for money on Aug 28th, $130 million dollars.
It seamed like Bush sent every kind of aid he could without violating the law that requires the Governor's written request. I bet the request didn't come until Friday September 2nd.
WHEN did the mayor get his own family out of NO by helicopter? Was the helicopter private or government owned?
I don't remember if it was Friday or Saturday and I don't know who owned the helicopter.
But I know that Livingston (Bob?) was on FNC yesterday and he talked about how NO misspent levee money - on a casino and helicopter(s).
Bump for #43. Good work on the links!
"Assuming that the 20% who didn't leave had been evacuated by the city of NO, I wonder where they would have been taken?"
Very good point. Just where would one put 80,000 to 250,000 people? Sure, we've done it after the hurricane after a massive deployment of resources. But before the hurricane, before the flooding, before all the scenes of destruction, just where the heck would you have put all these people? Who would have paid for it before all this happened?
People need to think this stuff through to the end. We have half a dozen hurricanes hit each year. Do we seriously propose moving all the potentially affected people out of the potentially affected areas each and every time? Really?
People need to think this stuff through to the end. We have half a dozen hurricanes hit each year. Do we seriously propose moving all the potentially affected people out of the potentially affected areas each and every time? Really?
First off, we could have put those people anywhere. If we wanted we could have left them on the side of a highway in Texas, or Arkansas, or Missouri. It would have been a vastly better situation.
Second, Hurricane Katrina is a very special case for evacuation. While you may not need to evacuate every time you see a general Cat 3 storm, the key word is general. The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale is not the best way to describe a hurricane. This scale only measures wind speeds and certainly does not always characterize the power of a hurricane. Compare the size variations of two Category 5 cyclones: Super Typhoon Tip had a diameter of 1350 miles while Cyclone Tracy had a diameter of 30 miles. Which one would cause more damage if it hit land? I bring this point up because Hurricane Katrina was more powerful than the general definition of a Category 4 storm. In fact it was the 3rd most powerful storm to hit the US since the listings were started and the fourth storm to be recorded as a Category 5 storm (about one every 30 years on average).
(Equivalent sizes if placed over the US)
It is important to consider this when we realize that New Orleans was designed to handle a general Category 3 storm. There was no possible way it could have handled a direct hit from a general Category 4 storm. But Katrina was not a general Category 4 storm. It is also important to realize that New Orleans expected a general Category 4 storm or higher to hit on average once every 300 years. For a storm the size of Katrina, it might only hit once every 1000 years (note: I am making an educated guess here).
When meteorologists saw this storm and saw that it was heading for the most vulnerable location in the United States, they were right to be worried. I have paid close attention to hurricane coverage since Hurricane Gilbert in 1988 (another Cat 5 that didn't hit the US) and I have never seen people so afraid. Let's just say that it is a good thing that the cameras did not pan downwards when the meteorologists were talking. There would have been a puddle under every one.
So in the case of Katrina, evacuation was warranted even though it might not have hit New Orleans. It was just too powerful to take the risk. Katrina was effectively a Category 5 storm. I think was obvious during the forecast and is especially obvious now that it has caused devastation over an area the size of Idaho.
So to answer your last question: only when the risk is so great!
Sadly, every single community that got homeland security money has misspent that money, bar NONE.
Some states are refusing to account for the money spent. Claiming national security reasons. What a crock!
This is our tax dollars not the government's money.
The articles on Philly.com are the articles that appear in the Philadelphia Inquirer and/or the Philadelphia Daily News so that article is in print as well. I probably have a copy around somewhere. On what date was the article printed?
"Sun, Aug. 28, 2005 | BY MARC CAPUTO, DAVID OVALLE AND ERIKA BOLSTAD"
Errrr....nevermind, heh.
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