Posted on 09/03/2005 7:19:37 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
Yeah, probably.
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"National Guard brigades fall under their division commanders for combat training purposes and their state TAG for state missions."
'The integrated Active and Reserve Division: background, legal foundation, and the role of judge advocates' http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m6052/is_2003_March/ai_102910511
I wonder if this is true.
Not that I doubt your assertion for a minute. Sadly, it's more my ignorance that makes me question.
What concerns me is the really bad press the President and Feds are receiving on this. Absolutely NOTHING is going to be accomplished unless the TRUTH comes out, unfettered and unspun.
Notice it's mostly Democrats pointing the finger and it's their norm...spin,spin,spin and, of course, LIE.
Another thing that concerns me is the notion of a congressional investigation. After that 9-11 ommission-commission I'm wary of attempts to alter history.
It seems the liberals mess it up, the inevitable catastrophe comes, and NOW they somehow manage to change history!
Dear Lord, I just want the TRUTH.
Disaster relief is best managed at the local level; I'd expect a conservative would agree with that. You can hardly hold Bush accountable for the total incompetence of Blanco and Nagin.
Despite the "federalization" process during Nixon's first term, that is incorrect.
That is sort of the problem with the federal response to this national security crisis.
Factually incorrect.
This wasn't a case of some neighborhood riot needing NG assistance to manage. This is the largest natural disaster in US history-- a Cat 5 hitting one of the most important cities in the US. And Bush's authority to use these troops however he wants is legal.
Again, factually incorrect.
SCOTUS would not do anything about Bush mobilizing NG troops to go to NOLA.
Irrelevant.
It's very much a national security issue because of the importance of NO to our way of life and because of the scope of the damage that would occur with a Cat 5 strike.
Even granting all that, the President still has to obey and follow the law.
Your emotion is understandable, but misplaced.
When you start a post with a statement that is blatently false, it is hard to take the rest of your comments seriously.
Federal and National Guard forces from other States can not deploy until the State Governor (in this case Louisiana) formally requests them.
Well, no, GENERALLY mobilizing the NG is a state issue. That is certainly true. This is about the fact that it was clear very early on what the aftermath of this hit would be and that clarity made federal involvement not only a no-brainer, but a duty. It's like if a missile was about to hit NOLA or a huge Hollywood asteroid. Once you know it's going to happen, you also know what the damage will be, and that knowledge makes it a federal issue-- provide for the common defense.
The President commands the NG. Period.
In other words the National Guard can only be deployed by a governor for law enforcemnt purposes.
See also:
A Brief descirption of the U..Miliatry
http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR981/MR981.app.pdf
National Guard forces normally operate in state active duty (SAD) status when responding to disasters and civil emergency. During such assistance efforts, one of their primary functions is to reinforce law enforcement agencies. The National Guard, once federalized, like the Active Army, becomes bound by the Posse Comitatus Act and loses the ability to act as a law enforcement agency.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_93-6_chap9.htm\
Posse Comitatus Act
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/comrel/factfile/Factcards/PosseComitatus.html
The truth seems to be that the government response, including coordination among various states, on all levels from local to federal, was a disaster. Coupled with the fact that the population remaining in NO lacked any initiatiave what-so-ever, apart from the criminals and assorted sub-humans going on a looting, murdering and raping rampage, you get what we have in New Orleans today. In other words, the usual suspects, government and inner city dependants, behaved as expected. The lesson for everyone is that don't in any circumstance rely on the state, local or federal government for your life and limb.
Exactly....Once NG is federlized they cannot perform in LEO actions..that is why you keep the NG at the state level.
It's like when you have a kid who really wants to fix the car and you know he's going to eff it up (regardless of how much he wants to do it) because you know your kid. All Bush needed to do was know who he was dealing with. Apparently, he thought such a big disaster would be easily managed by Blanco and Nagin. I question that judgment he made. Big city mayors are almost always incompetent on managing things like this because they get into power and hold it by using abilities that have nothing to do with managing huge crises. Jindal would have been governor if not for the racists in Louisiana. I can see Bush seeing that Jindal is there and that he could hold off a bit, but Blanco? She's a moron. I knew that before this event. I knew it because I followed the governor's race.
This is a particularly repulsive sophistry on the part of the AP reporter. The "federal red tape" she so dishonestly tries to blame on the federal government is nothing more than the law which requires the Governor to officially request and authorize the federal assistance from other state's National Guard units. The feds were NOT dragging their heels, they were pawing the ground at the starting line, waiting for Governor Blanco to "pull the trigger", as Col Hunt so colorfully put it last night.
BS
Regardless of whether James Madison would have thought it legal, it's legal today. Bush has the authority to command NG troops without permission, especially to combat a national security event.
Bears repeating ... and repeating ... and repeating ....
We don't know if it was red tape in Washington or a delay by the governor in letting Washington know she wanted the help. I suspect it was the latter, but don't know the answer.
Yes we do know - it was the Governor who held things up. Col. Hunt's team investigated this and he gave a report on this on O'Reilly last night. He specifically said the Governor would not "pull the trigger" to authoize action.
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