[cornelis]

That being the one . . .

This is a great point of dispute, running from Heraclitus to Kant. Some of them refused to include matter. Think of it, a grand unified theory, but no cosmology!

The discovery for some of them was that the universe is always larger than the theory.

[NJ_gent]

"This is a great point of dispute, running from Heraclitus to Kant."

I'm not interested in ancient philosophers or meta-physicists; I'm interested in those studying modern science. Modern science stands in stark contrast to anything else ever put forth in terms of explaining things. That computer you're typing on works because modern science has helped us gain an understanding about how electrons work and how they can be manipulated. When you find Heraclitus' lost writings on String Theory and Quantum Mechanics, I might be interested in what he had to say.

"The discovery for some of them was that the universe is always larger than the theory."

They had the bad luck of living in times where the human understanding of the natural world was severely limited. Of course their theories were incomplete and wrong; they had almost no accurate scientific knowledge. Let's get some comments on Vafa's work, Schwarz's work, or Townsend's work instead of relying on guys who were dead hundreds and thousands of years before Einstein was born. Modern science bears no resemblance to ancient philosophy.