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Opec output hike seen , Oil could rise to $80 per barrel:
Bahrain Tribune ^ | 30/08/2005

Posted on 08/31/2005 1:11:50 AM PDT by M. Espinola

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1 posted on 08/31/2005 1:11:50 AM PDT by M. Espinola
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Tell me again why we're not drilling in ANWAR?


2 posted on 08/31/2005 1:14:57 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: M. Espinola

Seems like our main problem caused by the hurricaine is with the refineries, not supply.


3 posted on 08/31/2005 1:15:42 AM PDT by RWR8189 ( Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Uncle Vlad
"Tell me again why we're not drilling in ANWAR?"

The President should order a national energy emergency and issue a Presidential order to drill everywhere and now. But....Washington will most likely wait around until oil is some how disrupted from the Persian Gulf, Venezuela, Nigeria or all combined before even thinking about doing anything constructive.

4 posted on 08/31/2005 1:29:14 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Uncle Vlad
Tell me again why we're not drilling in ANWAR?

Seriously. ANWR would have made up for almost the entire loss of Gulf oil.

5 posted on 08/31/2005 1:29:17 AM PDT by SunnyD1182
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To: Uncle Vlad

Because a bunchof worthless Giai worshipping ecomut hate all progress.


6 posted on 08/31/2005 1:31:32 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: RWR8189
"Seems like our main problem caused by the hurricane is with the refineries, not supply."

We need far more refineries, well inland, not in areas under sea level (which is insane) or very close to hurricane coastal zones.

7 posted on 08/31/2005 1:31:33 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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The market doesn't believe OPEC claims of adequate supply. The author doesn't explain why refinery problems result in higher crude costs...and doesn't mention that the Saudis are increasingly replacing light, sweet crude with the sour stuff.


8 posted on 08/31/2005 1:32:35 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: SunnyD1182
"Seriously. ANWR would have made up for almost the entire loss of Gulf oil."

My concern over crude oil supplies is with the other Gulf, as in Persian, this winter.

9 posted on 08/31/2005 1:33:41 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: SunnyD1182

Is ANWR oil heavy or sweet? It is my understanding that we do not have the refineries to process the heavy crude, only the sweet. That is why our Alaska oil goes to Japan for refining. Heard this on WOWO radio last week. We need new refineries built in other spots except for the blue state coastal areas.


10 posted on 08/31/2005 1:37:49 AM PDT by raisincane (Addicted to FR)
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To: liberallarry
"The market doesn't believe OPEC claims of adequate supply. The author doesn't explain why refinery problems result in higher crude costs...and doesn't mention that the Saudis are increasingly replacing light, sweet crude with the sour stuff."

Well for one thing the author is based in the Persian Gulf and of course he not going to mention his Saudi comrades are playing 'sour' games.

If you have any links on hand relating to the Saudis pulling that stunt please post in here. People need to be informed about our 'royal' Wahabbist 'allies'.

11 posted on 08/31/2005 1:38:17 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: SunnyD1182
Seriously. ANWR would have made up for almost the entire loss of Gulf oil.

Gulf states produce 22% of all American produced oil.

Alaska currently produces another 20% with North Slope and Cook Inlet wells.

ANWAR is expected to at a minimum double Alaskan production.

And this says nothing about Alaskan gas, much of which is going to waste till we get the gas line built.

Alaska, working together with big oil has already proved you can drill and pipe oil with virtually zero environmental damage. (This of course does not include California based shipping companies).

Everyone needs to rub their greenie friends nose in this fact. (That is, if any self respecting FReepers have greenie friends). We need to drill, we need to pipe it thru Canada (even if we have to pay them a transit fee) direct to the lower 48. Start now and it will be ready in two years. Wait till the crunch and it will be too late.

12 posted on 08/31/2005 1:41:45 AM PDT by konaice
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Seems like our main problem caused by the hurricaine is with the refineries, not supply.

Latest news is that the platforms in the gulf made it with very little damage. Refineries and pipelines are currently shut down, and its not clear when they will re-start.

We need to start thinking on a war-time footing. We need to build additional refineries anywhere but the Gulf coast. Why not in the middle of Colorado or Wyoming? Lots of room and pipe-line close to anywhere.

13 posted on 08/31/2005 1:45:25 AM PDT by konaice
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If it's oil, even sour is sweet

Crude Oil Quality a Growing Issue for U.S. Refiners

14 posted on 08/31/2005 1:46:21 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Uncle Vlad
Tell me again why we're not
drilling off the coast of California.

Could China drill 12 miles out in
international waters off the coast of California?

15 posted on 08/31/2005 1:46:48 AM PDT by Major_Risktaker
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If you have any links on hand relating to the Saudis pulling that stunt please post in here.

I'm sorry but I don't have any easily available. I believe Simmons talks about it...and Valero stock has jumped like crazy because its refineries can process sour crude.

I don't know whether I'd call the replacement a Saudi stunt. They have no choice. They simply don't have enought light, sweet crude to meet demand.

16 posted on 08/31/2005 1:47:19 AM PDT by liberallarry
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At 20 bucks a barrel the A-rabs were makeing a good profit...At 70 bucks a barrel the A-rabs are raking in a whopping 1,522,000,000 PER DAY (that's a billion and a half per day) above and beyound what they got at 20 bucks a barrel...

And there's 'nothing George can do' (according to George) except count his money...The Bushs have massive dollar interests in Mid East oil, as well as most members of Congress...

I'd feel better if the station attendant held a gun on me while I pay for the gas...I hate being robbed willingly...


17 posted on 08/31/2005 1:48:09 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: liberallarry
replacing light, sweet crude with the sour stuff.

Saudi crude has always been high-sulfer, when compared to Texas or gulf coast crude.

We have to build new refineries that can deal with this, because we've been cherry-picking the sweet stuff too long.

18 posted on 08/31/2005 1:48:23 AM PDT by konaice
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To: TXBSAFH
Because a bunch of worthless Giaia-worshipping econuts hate all progress.

Then they have no right to complain about the price of gas, do they? ;)

19 posted on 08/31/2005 1:49:05 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
Tell me again why we're not drilling in ANWAR?

Because, you'll disturb breeding mosquito's. Can't have that now.
20 posted on 08/31/2005 1:50:07 AM PDT by kb2614 ("Speaking Truth to Power" - What idiots say when they want to sound profound!!)
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