Posted on 08/30/2005 1:58:42 PM PDT by fortunecookie
A secondary school is to allow pupils to swear at teachers - as long as they don't do so more than five times in a lesson. A running tally of how many times the f-word has been used will be kept on the board. If a class goes over the limit, they will be 'spoken' to at the end of the lesson.
The astonishing policy, which the school says will improve the behaviour of pupils, was condemned by parents' groups and MPs yesterday. They warned it would backfire.
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And then hopefully some kind of follow through from the office and parents. But it does make the point in your room about what is completely unacceptable.
Mostly to other kids. There were a few teacher we knew we could get away with it with, however, I doubt even the kids at my old school would find institutionalization of the f-word a positive.
I hoped you'd say that! Some teachers recognize language as letting off steam, the 'use your words' thing. Of course, they all have to know that it's inappropriate for the school day. Usually those are the teachers one would casually use it around, not excessively, instead of at them! When I was in school, just getting caught saying 'damn' was enough for a reprimand or detention (big offenders). I have to agree, most would find the wholesale permission of the f-word as negative.
As an aside, this morning, I caught just a bit of 'the View', I was on the phone and couldn't change channels fast enough. That's where I heard about this. Naturally, most of them supported it. I didn't stay tuned long enough to find out more. Ugh.
You see, the reason there aren't enough teachers is we aren't paying them enough...
I tell you, there is no way you could pay me enough to be on a job where anyone thought they could swear at me. Whether they are 5 or 50.
Does it count if they are only propositioning the teacher?
Or, are asking what's included in the teacher's proposition to them?
"But, Miss Grindstone, that one should not count, as I was only doing as you said, and using 'position' in a sentence."
"No,I did not! I said, 'let's get our SHEEP together, and get the FLOCK out of this GOTTLAND school!"
And many, many more in classrooms everywhere.
Amen to that. It's little wonder that they are having trouble attracting people to the profession and keeping them there. And some seem to burn out after a few years, even if they keep on teaching or start out enthused. I am involved with a program where I teach a class once a week to 2nd graders (no pay). But I see a lot of volunteers, some are teachers, some not. And a lot of day teachers from both public and parochial schools. The standards of behavior have changed so much over just the last 8 yrs that I've been at it. Academics have changed too, everything has to be 'easy'. I used to want to be a teacher, still would under the right circumstances, but I would have to not need to work, because I would become very picky, very fast about working conditions and pay. Swearing at me would not be an option.
How many times can you utter the name of Christ without being kicked out? Just once probably requires execution.
LOL, are you speaking from experience? I'm sure there are many who try, and I remember some!, and many teachers who hear it coming (no pun!) and halt it in it's tracks. LOL. And a few teachers never get it when they're being played.
LOL, unless you're taking the name of God in vain, then I'm sure they don't even hear. And heaven forbid you pull out a Bible. That's grounds for suspension and re-education. Your parents will be suspect, too.
Second hand, from the teachers in the family, both here in the States & in England...oops; can't say that anymore...The UK.
As for me, I went to school back when getting caught using it in the bathroom, let alone saying ot to a teacher was a near capital offense. I could not be a teacher, as I am too pedantic, and not sensitive enough.LOL
They also would not like my grading curve; the curve would be drawn to fit the grades; not the grades be fitted to the curve.
Hehehe... when I get a detention, my parents don't hear about it.
I was teasing, a bit. I say England instead of UK, too. I try to catch myself.
As for me, I went to school back when getting caught using it in the bathroom, let alone saying ot to a teacher was a near capital offense. I could not be a teacher, as I am too pedantic, and not sensitive enough.LOL
The big problem at my HS was dress code violations, smoking cigs in the lavatories, and chewing gum. There was a group of guys who played a lot of practical jokes on teachers and challenged every rule. Priveleged kids who always seemed to get off. I guess rules were just starting to slacken then.
They also would not like my grading curve; the curve would be drawn to fit the grades; not the grades be fitted to the curve.
Mr. K? Are you my HS physics teacher? I was shocked when my low grade one quarter (electronics section) actually went down with the curve! A's were truly earned.
LOL. Naughty. So, they actually still do give them somewhere? Well, I'm impressed. Around here, they've been gone a while. Everything is 'easier'. Consider yourself lucky (and consider telling them, too!), when I was in school, parents were always informed, sometimes before we were, and had to sign a paper or were called. Heaven forbid you skip, too, it was tripled.
In my new school, it's a little more rigid. It is MUCH harder to skip class (which of course I'd never try anyway), and when you do it lands you an automatic Saturday morning detention. I got an after school detention for going to record a song for a class in the music wing w/o telling the teacher... but that was no biggie, served the detention, life goes on. Cool teacher, I have him again this year. Detentions here are from 2:30-3:30 and you have to sit quietly at desks while the study hall lady (no rotation) sits at the front of the room and whines about her life to some random guy for an hour. More often than not, if it's severe enough for punishment, it's an OSS (out of school suspension) for at least a day. The teachers don't want to deal with the trouble children either...
What else did they punish people for besides skipping?
I'd be happy if they'd just settle the contract that expired a year or two ago.
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