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To: GOPJ
Is this the point where Hoover's powermania meets natural liberal paranoia? You know, the "oh my God, they're going to look at my library books" stuff?

LOL - yes, it is.

Gorelick had a reason to create an even higher hurdle -- in spite of information to the contrary from those tasked with protecting the country. You move over that quickly - why? Do you think she's an idiot and that explains it? Hmmmm, actually, that's what I'm thinking. Any legitimate fears that need to be faced in this issue?

I passed over the reasons for Gorelick's Wall because they are not yet fully clear. Speculation has abounded as to the reasons (Clintons & China, etc...) but there are no real "facts" to fully support the theories.

But, for what it's worth, here is my opinion. The libs have been screaming since Hoover & Vietnam about "spying" in citizens. The Clinton Clan was a part of that ideological movement. Upon becoming President, Clinton was bound and determined to impose his socialist ideology upon the fabric of America and appointed fellow travellers in key positions (most importantly DoS, DoJ & DoD) The SOLE mission of these people was the reformation of these departments to resemble what the Children of the 60's imagined they should be. This Gorelick used the intial restrictions of the FISA Act (Carter Era) and EO 12333 and made them even MORE restrictive ("beyond what the law requires" IIRC). The plain and simple fact is, that the Clinton's Clan of Cronies wanted to WEAKEN the US and make it beholden to the UN etc... Had the GOP not assumed majority status during his tenure, I shudder to think of where the US would be now....

So, my opinion. I try to keep it out of most discussions and refer to facts instead. Time will tell whether I am even close to the truth.

739 posted on 08/30/2005 7:08:29 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Amazingly enough, I feel you're being too kind to the Clintons. But more about that soon. Let me post your comments first and make bold that part I disagree with. The rest of it? You're totally right IMHO. I'll pick up my comments at the end.

The Clinton Clan was a part of that ideological movement. Upon becoming President, Clinton was bound and determined to impose his socialist ideology upon the fabric of America and appointed fellow travelers in key positions (most importantly DoS, DoJ & DoD) The SOLE mission of these people was the reformation of these departments to resemble what the Children of the 60's imagined they should be. This Gorelick used the intial restrictions of the FISA Act (Carter Era) and EO 12333 and made them even MORE restrictive ("beyond what the law requires" IIRC). The plain and simple fact is, that the Clinton's Clan of Cronies wanted to WEAKEN the US and make it beholden to the UN etc... Had the GOP not assumed majority status during his tenure, I shudder to think of where the US would be now....

The Clinton "walk" and the Clinton "talk" were often opposites. He talked women's rights, then harassed women who stood up to being used and threatened. The examples of his opposites are as numerous as his speeches.

Almost always, as Dick Morris would say, Saturday night Clinton was the doer and Sunday morning Clinton was the talker.

On power Clinton did the opposite of the talk. And the wall? It was to keep folks out for a reason. And the reason was power. Not 60's idealism. The wall was to keep people from seeing what he was doing with the VRWC issue. It protected the war room antics, the spying on everyday citizens under the VRWC rubric, and the totalitarian tactics. It was to keep people out. It wasn't a 60's love-in philosophy he was protecting. It was power -- pure Machiavellian power.

772 posted on 08/30/2005 8:48:01 AM PDT by GOPJ
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