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To: Mazepa

For one, why would you call those in NovoRussia southern Russians if from the time the region was first was colonized in 18-19th centuries up till now, ethnic Ukrainians were a majority? ==

Now I don't know where to start:)).

Firstly, NovvoRossia was conqured by russian troops. Not "ukranian" or else. Wasn't it?

So since it was conquered by russian army then terrirory was populated by Ekaterina the Great.
People for population was mixed. Some are from some regions of Velikorossia(Great Russia) and from Malayarossia, Bellorossia and so on.
SO it is new region whose population maybe called as southern russians hence they are far from uniates of Western Ukraine then neoboring russian population.

Today there is attempt to make them ukarinians by forceful ukrainization. The result will be negative for sure. Those people overlived soveitization already. Ukrainization will be easier to overcome.

As far as I know the use of russian language increases on those territory not decreases as it supposed to in spite of ukrainization.
It is direct cause that people oppose forceful ukrainization.

So let live then let see:).


87 posted on 09/03/2005 9:41:16 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
Firstly, NovvoRossia was conqured by russian troops. Not "ukranian" or else. Wasn't it?
The region was conquered by the Russian Empire, with Ukrainians in Russ.Emp. fighting. For example the Turk town of modern day Odesa was conquered by the Ukrainian Cossack commander A. Holovaty.

SO it is new region whose population maybe called as southern russians hence they are far from uniates of Western Ukraine then neoboring russian population
Who's talking about Uniates (they were in an entirely different country). Colonists from Chernihiv-Kyiv-Poltava (Ukrainians) neighboring these lands became the majority here.

Also for some reason you continue to demonize Soviets while they proved to be much more beneficial to Russians than Ukrainians. You say eastern+southern Ukraine was Russian before the revolution, subjected to Ukrainization thanks to SU, but now its Russians roots are still strong. I say it was Ukrainian before the revolution, Russified during SU, that's why they're Sovki/pro-Russian now. I'm right, you're wrong.
I do agree, let's see how it'll be in 20 years. I suspect the longer Russia and Ukraine are separate, the more this portion of the Ukrainian population will view RF as foreign.

As far as I know the use of russian language increases on those territory not decreases as it supposed to in spite of ukrainization.
Haven't heard this one, but it sounds like a propoganda lie.

Feel free to browse through national compositions of Ukraine's regions in this last census. Even most (57%) of Donets'k oblast' said they're Ukrainian.

89 posted on 09/03/2005 11:45:19 AM PDT by Mazepa
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