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To: Mazepa; spanalot; sergey1973

Check who was Vladimir Myekovsky and Nikolai Ostrovskii. It is 2 the "singer of revolution". Both are ukranians.

Couldn't find the first guy. Heard of the second.
hy not call them all "Russia" as you say? If that then it would be so easy. ==

You don't know Myekovskii?:)) You know less about soviet history then I understand why you gave up to russophobic propaganda.

I've said precisely before- because USSR painted itself to be a democratic state and said to allocate autonomy for the minorities and to be an improvement from the imperial model. ==

"Improvement from imperial model"?!:)) Very amusing:).
Why not such "improvement" from britons at same time or later? Why ethnic russians would need such "improvement"?
Accually on earth why ethnic russians would need a state in which they are just biggest minority only? Do russians stupid or what?


It is easy to blame russians but shut up your brains and not think about that "Soviet Union" instead of "Russian Union" or Russian Empire, was created with one purpose- to ensure that new state is NOT russian state anymore.

They didn't want to isolate the minorities so they've made a compromise.==

Why ethnic russians wanted to compromise? They had thier own lands which bigger then of anyone else.
Britons when thier minoroties put up same question just broke up British EMpire and leave it. They were better off.

Same logic applies to russians.
See on recent history. Russians got out from USSR in first ever possibility (1991).
Who ever want to comfort minorities to compromise with them to subsedise them on expense of your own people?

Russians doesn't need to submit themselves for sake of any minorities to progress.
You put up borders and you ensure the favorable prices for your products and you engage trades and that is it.
"Let them be ther but us here" - russian proverb.
But instead ther are created the new state Soviet Union the new "minorities paradise".

Whoever did need it? Not russians.

Russian Empire likewise British Empire was RUSSIAN state which was run by russian emperor and for sake russian people. No one of russians wanted new Soviet Union the state in which your people will not anymore to prevail.

So in reality it was that russians who opposed reds at start. And Red bolshevicks had to win 4 year long Civil War to get power in Russian Empire in order to convert it to SOviet Union.
With help of all minorities of former Russian Empire, the Reds won that war and all grim consequances of it happened later.


56 posted on 08/30/2005 11:38:35 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

"Russians got out from USSR in first ever possibility (1991). "

Who are you tryuing to kid - the Soviet Union fell apart
when Ukraine seceded. There was nothing left but Russia when they got done.


57 posted on 08/31/2005 5:01:16 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: RusIvan
..You don't know Myekovskii?:)) You know less about soviet history then I understand why you gave up to russophobic propaganda

You should correct yourself and say I'm uninformed about Russian Soviet history, then I'd agree- in my previous studies I just viewed Russian Communists as an outside force. I am more familiar with Ukrainian Communists like Skrypnyk, Khvylovyy and Shumsky. Professor, you've ever read Khvylovyy?

Why not such "improvement" from britons at same time or later? Why ethnic russians would need such "improvement"?

I didn't say 'improvement for Russians', but for minorities. (I even put it in the same sentence so even the kids could make a link). Ethnic Russians (RSFSR) were not effected that the Union had republics- they don't live there. It was all for the minorities.

Accually on earth why ethnic russians would need a state in which they are just biggest minority only? Do russians stupid or what?

Ukraine already separated in 1917- Russians didn't give Ukraine its republic. So when Russia reconquered Ukraine simple re-annexation by the Russians was a step back from the "democratic tradition" of the Communists.

What's with the British analogy? If India had revolted and declared independence from England, and then a British task force was sent to recapture India and in order to ease the resistance, Britain promised more freedoms to India than before, then could you make such a comparison.

to ensure that new state is NOT russian state anymore.

Whose was it? (Georgian ?:)) Soviet Constitution and the (superficial) administrative devision into the republics didn't do anything and Russians remained the nationality in control.

.Why ethnic russians wanted to compromise? They had thier own lands which bigger then of anyone else.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Russians didn't make a compromise with minorities near Moscow, but with Ukraine where Russians were an overwhelming minority and couldn't have been called 'Russian land'.

Britons when thier minorities put up same question just broke up British EMpire and leave it. They were better off.

Ah, but these are Brits. Russians held on to their empire because they're die-hard imperialists, (sing "Shiroka zemlia moya rodnaya" with me) and to Ukraine because it's Russia's younger brother.

63 posted on 08/31/2005 10:15:47 AM PDT by Mazepa
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