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To: tophat9000

There's only one thing that prevents me from rejecting Bush's plan outright- if we are going to have a guest-worker program (and I wish were weren't but both major plans have such a program), then if we don't allow those already here to be the guest workers, then we'll just have to import even MORE Mexicans. And that's the last thing I want.

I wish we WOULD have mass deportations, but given the political realities and the inevitability of a guest worker program, maybe Bush's program isn't as bad as, say, McCain's.


20 posted on 08/27/2005 10:37:35 AM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: Altair333

We are the greatest nation on the face of the earth. We kicked Saddam's butt from here to kingdom come. We have put down the Taliban. We haven't been attacked by terrorist in 47 months and we are now asked to embrace that our country will not survive economicially, socially and globally without the assistances of illegal alien workers. It cannot be. Someone is telling us a lie.


85 posted on 08/27/2005 12:17:05 PM PDT by Lobbyist (I want my American dream!)
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To: Altair333
I wish we WOULD have mass deportations, but given the political realities and the inevitability of a guest worker program, maybe Bush's program isn't as bad as, say, McCain's.

Sorry but that dog won't hunt... the illegal flow in some ways reminds me of an electrical current...to stop it you have to first cutoff the job source in the US

The reality is that illegals as labor are so attractive is the lower cost but the lower cost mean that it's not self supporting but in effect tax payer's subsidized labor...cut off the illegals as labor and that job will be filled at marker rate/cost...

The guest worker program is a miss direct... because either the labor would need to be payed at a higher rate or be subsidized

Bottom line like any other commodity labor has a cost ...to think that what the employer is paying up front for that cheap labor is the total cost is an illusion... there are no "free" lunches..there are no "below cost" lunches.. and there are no perpetual "at cost" lunches (just like there are no perpetual motion machines) there is the total cost to support the effort + profit to keep it going...

Below cost illegal labor is an tax payer funded performance art illusion to entertain a few....

(To go back to my electrical current analogy there a hidden ground loop tax payer funded cash flow thats keeps this perpetual motion machine below cost labor illusion going)

91 posted on 08/27/2005 12:50:26 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: Altair333

If we enforced laws on employers, disallowed social services to any illegals, and built a fence, the problem of deportation would solve itself. How about taking 50% of any money sent out of country, to pay for medical care for anchor babies?


104 posted on 08/27/2005 9:39:41 PM PDT by jeremiah (People wake up, the water is getting hot)
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